Chengdu J-10, History, Performance & Discussion

They’ll just do what Gaijin did to Germany and not give China the counterparts when they release. For example Russia got the Mig-23MLD 5 months before Germany got the Mig-23MLA, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Gaijin did a similar thing to China.

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You know what’s even more absurd? The SU-30 has less drag than the J10C.

Do you have any idea how big an SU-30 is?
I found an image of a J16 next to a J10.
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Look at the size of that!
Another shocking image is the Tejas next to a Su30mki.
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The Su30SM/SM2 isn’t just huge; it has canards and wings with positive sweep, configuration that prioritizes lifting over drag.
And even so, it has less drag than a J10C in the game.
How is this possible? Can someone explain this to me?

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positive sweep? how is it positive?

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Positive sweep is conventional sweep wings.
Negative sweep is the case of the SU47

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In the game, the LS-6 250kg bomb cannot achieve a 3x3 configuration on the J-10C’s triple ejector racks and is currently limited to 2x2 due to its oversized model (it is larger than the standard 250-3 bomb). This is also an issue that needs to be fixed.

the issue link:Model Errors of the LS-6 Series Bombs

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This proves that Gaijin harbors deep hatred for China, especially since the Rafale and Su-30MKI being shot down by J-10Cs only fueled his hatred for the J-10Cs.

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that is just wrong

maybe you should look at the actual drag values instead of the drag coefficent

the J-10 actually has less drag than the rafale until mach 1

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it dosent prove anything because he is spreading blatant disinformation to push his absurd point

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You should check it with its composite pylons, massive drag

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and the SU-30 will still have more drag than the J-10C
becasue the missiles will add the same ammount of drag and the Su-30 can carry more missiles so it will have more added drag

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yeah for the Su-30

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the problem is after mach 1, caused by the huge increase of cd0 parameter, which is almost doubled than rafale and ef2000
and clearly, the supersonic drag is more important in game

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again you guys dont know what you are talking about and you shouldnt talk about it without a basic understanding of aerodynamics

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Yes, but the drag problem occurs on the airframe; the J10A and C have far too much drag, the drag of the weaponry is another subject

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the J-10 dosent have too much drag

it has way less drag than the Su-30

it has less drag than the Eurofighter and it also has less drag than the rafale

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its not about missile and anything, its the pylon drag

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pylon drag isnt modeled in game

becasue if it was the f-18 would be way slower

We’re talking about drag, you’re showing an engine performance curve

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let me just borrow this for a quick answer. and I’m sure there is enough talking in this thread, explaining J-10’s design is more focus on supersonic not subsonic

most pylon drag isn’t modeled in game. only in some helis, so it’s the plane’s drag

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guess what? try it with and without, significant difference