So the results are in. I counted 45 people that approve of the change, 42 that oppose this change and 25 that never expressed their opinion on the change (either responding to someone or just writing some weird nonsense and never making it clear if they are for or against).
I have counted 2 people too many but best case it goes to 43 for and 42 against, or worst case for you it goes to 45 for and 40 against the change.
make of this data what you will
You think the amount of people writing in a thread makes you right or the mayority in anything but the specific thread?
Lmao
I never said any of that.
This is however what pangolin said and it is factually incorrect.
Out of the first 100 comments, it’s overwhelmingly negative.
Also, I divided the comments into 7 types
-For the change because it solves a problem (which can be solved through other means)
-For the change because they just think it’s all around better.
-For the change cause they think CAS is OP and will agree to any and all changes that nerf CAS regardless of any other details.
-Against the change
-On the fence abt the change, or in other words thinks it needs major changes to be good.
-No opinion on the change (seemingly)
and -huh . . .
-For
Morvran_
MokaMoki
Make_a_wish_kid-
-For
pooqich
RunaDacino
-For (whining that CAS too OP)
SirinKaslana
Herojure24
Fragal
ChalkUpOneMore-psn
我就是217
Beeschurger
-Against
ghoztmode
Device IX
純田まな_Mana
zhang781897293
AGM-114L
Hajam114514
拉走
Creastroy
Pale_Horse_Rider
TOSANOKUNI_R
Watergood
EMTforever
Akiyama Mio 大好き
Kamimura Chika
Aeschee
因取不出更逆天的id而自卑
冰绒の宇宇宇
克格勃伦敦站站长汉弗莱爵士
blackbear82
SAR- FIA-暗夜帕拉丁
-On the fence
li138999
-No opinion
RowanFW
战争雷批
-huh?
aw1314521
Unless there was some drastic change out of nowhere, Herojure is just lying.
You’ll survive 👌
What the first 100 comments say is not represenative. I went through all the 700 replies and counted the unique appearances. Most comments were from people with clearly etabilished views that could just be scrolled past. Like you, me, Morvran, RunaDacino, Pale_Horse_Rider.
This is just an attack on me personally. If you go through all the replies there are many many people just jumping in and saying they don’t like this change or that they support this change or something like that. The fact that the first 100 replies don’t show that is just a fact of you only looking at 7% of the data.
Ykw? Fine. I’m just gonna take your word that there was a sudden random influx of CAS haters to the forums (which doesn’t track logically at all).
Where have I ever stated that there has been an influx of CAS haters. I just said that roughly the same amount of people like this change as compared to people disliking it.
I have not labeled anyone as CAS hater. You have done that. I only counted the number of people agreeing that this is a bad change at 42 and people saying they like this change at 45.
Stop making bad faith arguments. I did not do this as a personal vendetta against you. I just did not believe your claim that the majority of people in this thread disagree with the chamge and wanted to verify that myself. I spent 40 minutes going through the replies to see what the numbers for this thread are and here you are being all mean because you don’t agree.
Whatever honestly. Just acknowledge that the number of people for and against ia roughly the same.
I don’t even care that much that you don’t believe me whatever. Just don’t say I am wrong if you cannot be bothered to go through the whole thread. I even admitted I counted too many people (probably those chinese names since I don’t know what they say and are hard to distinguish if the same guy pops in at the start and at the 500th reply).
gaijin should add a minbr for the change(my opinion is 10.0 or above)
because in low tier there isn’t many plane can both fight and cas(which means Almighty) especially for props.
I agree, although it would probably be by rank instead of br.
Well in that case nothing really changes now does it?
If a plane cannnot take CAS loadouts it’s spawn cost does not change if you take out a plane which has CAS loadouts.
I mean for props a plane take CAS loadouts will make it weak in A2A battles because loadouts are heavy.And if they want to fight they may have to drop all the CAS loadouts and fight then rtb and rearm which means they have a long time can’t support ground.
Maybe the change should not just separate to fully A2A or CAS ,but have some weight limit for the loadout,like less than 1000kg maybe?
But that has always been the case though. Nothing changes now regarding that.
F4U-4, F4U-4B, Yak-9K, Yak-9UT, F6F-5.
Just off top of my head.
You can even add 109s to the list.
Ki-61 to the list.
G.55 Sotto 0 to the list.
P-47s do require more space to maneuver so perhaps not in GRB, but going off of ASB P-47s make pretty damn good air to air fighters AND cas platforms.
Maybe you do need to drop armament to dogfight, yes but the airfield is ridiculously close.
It’s like 180 seconds tops to airspawn in drop bomb on B on Maginot Line (small) and Fields of Normandy, perma-WEP your way back to the airfield and then belly land after doing a weird self-induced stall.
Specific numbers from my test for fields of normandy in F4U-4B with 2x 1000 lbs bombs: Spawn at 0:18. Drop on B at: 1:02 drop on C at : 1:06. Landed (repair timer starts): 2:18.
Specific numbers from my test for Maginot line(winter) in F4U-4B with 2x 1000 lbs bombs: Spawn at 5:01. Drop on B at: 6:08 drop on C at : 6:08. Landed (repair timer starts): 7:27
Also this exists:
What about bombers with poor ability to self-defense? Seems the changes not very friendly to them.They have much more higher danger to support ground but if they been shoot down then they almost can not CAS any more(they may can’t even avenge to the SPAAs),so…maybe i should change my suggestion to separate planes for 3 types:fighter fight-bomber and “striker”,fighter(with no loadouts) ,fight-bomber has limited ability to CAS(less than 1000kg or maybe 750kg loadouts),and do not share points with heavy loadout CAS (“strikers”) for low tier.I think that will make sense
Notjing changes for bombers though either. Unless you are one of the people that bring 2 bombers into ground somehow? And even then not much changes afaik.
Yak-9 is the only plane on that list that can both dogfight and CAS well. All others are either bad at dogfighting or bad at CAS.
F4U-4 is an amazing dogfighter. Even at 5.3 in sim, it performs incredibly. In RB it’s 4.3. You have no excuses for struggling with it in dogfights. At 5.3 it’s just about balanced.
F4U-4B is cracked at 5.7 in both SB and RB.
Yak-9K can and will dogfight 5.0 aircraft just fine. I have managed to reverse Bf 109s with it WITH a chewed off elevator using rolling scissors. Yak-9UT is a cracked Yak-9K.
F6F-5 is an amazing dogfighter. That thing will out-turn anything not japanese as long as you have altitude to burn. You do need ~1.5-2.0km of space to dive with but it’s used to incredible success by IdahoBookworm. My only issue with F6F-5 is that it has zero rear visibility and it’s very easy to have someone sneak up on you if you’re flying alone and don’t have VR to clip thru the canopy with.
Let’s compare the F6F-5 to the most balanced german fighter, the bf109F4:
The F4 wins in a long and sustained two circle flat on deck or in a climbing spiral.
The F6F-5 wins the one-circle and the descending spiral.
Additional bonus for F6F: It handles better at high speeds and has insanely low stall speed.
Additional bonus 2: Bf109 F4 has super short WEP capacity. Comparing WEPing F6F-5 vs non-WEPing F4 gets us:
I concede the instructor does cripple aircraft that rely on their corner speed to win, but you can turn instructor off and keep autotrim going and you’ll do fine.
Ki-61-I Hei is a “baby-plane” or “metamobile” for dogfighting and still gets 2 250 kg bombs you can drop separately.
The G.55 Sotto 0 is not as busted at CAS as the american naval planes. It is however incredible at dogfighting.
The 109s are also kinda weaker at CAS but it’s one of the most versatile aircraft with an answer to anything if you know enough and don’t rely on the instructor to fly. With sufficient skill, you still get enough armament for a decent number of ground kills.
Until the enemy just goes vertical and then the F6F just gets folded as hard as the average TF2 universe spine.
It’s good I’m ARB cause max speed and climb rate, but in GRB it’s just eaten alive by Spitfires, Yaks, and Japanese planes.
The trick here is that the F6F has excellent speed and can nullify that vertical by resetting the fight. Exact breakdown for F6F vs 109s is beyond me, but IdahoBookworm has plenty of examples (dude spams Hellcats and Lightnings): https://www.youtube.com/@IdahoBookworm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YviX6d6ZwyE
https://youtu.be/I6ss2_yK910?si=R8MVl6lmtc9npLNR&t=915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWTbceZuZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iettr2Nnd4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQZ4FXNaVfg&t=9s
Judging from his footage, he does more than well enough in the Hellcat to qualify it as a menace of dogfighting.
F4U-4 with proper flaps and energy management will beat yak-3 handily without instructor limits.
The yak barely beats it at an extended ratefight but the F4U-4 has incredibly powerful flaps which I don’t yet know how to represent on EM charts. The yak does have the roll rate advantage, so it is a fight that comes down to whoever is more skilled.
Japanese and british planes are an issue if caught on low energy, this I do concede.
