Changes to the SP cost of CAS in GRB

[Pangolin_Fan]

@Beeschurger

increasing SP cost of SECOND CAS plane wont affect a good CAS player, simple as.

Then there’s no reason to do it.

@Herojure24

Not 100% sure but is that not already the case? If you wanna bring out a backup SPAA it already costs more SP

Iirc SPAA has same cost regardless of how many you spawn. Either way, 70sp (or 90 for some) is far too low for a vehicle that has the advantage over 600 or even 900 SP vehicles.

[Beeschurger]

@Pangolin_Fan

Then there’s no reason to do it.

since it wont affect you, as you wont be needing second CAS spawn, why fight the change?

[Pangolin_Fan]

Why make the change at all?

[Beeschurger]

To make CAS deployment more rewarding.

[Pangolin_Fan]

That’s not how that works, unless you wanna increase kill reward for planes in exchange for harder second spawn

[Beeschurger]

Less CAS spanws = less competing for ground targets.

[Pangolin_Fan]

There’s no reason competition between CAS planes. Most planes can get 1-3 kills due to payload limits, and there’s rarely more than 2-3 planes up, and there’s no guarantee that they’re all CAS.

[Beeschurger]

@Pangolin_Fan

there’s no guarantee that they’re all CAS.

which wont be affected as CAP costs wont increase

@Pangolin_Fan

Most planes can get 1-3 kills due to payload limits

and then they can land, rearm and get three more since there wont be so many competitors

[Pangolin_Fan]

@Beeschurger

and then they can land, rearm and get three more since there wont be so many competitors

Nope. Many planes are too slow to rearm at AF b4 the match ends

[Beeschurger]

Well luckily you can get CAS early so this is a non issue.

[Pangolin_Fan]

Since competition between CAS planes clearly isnt an issue, there’s no reason to make this change.

[Beeschurger]

It leaves more targets to destroy for skilled player, i already said that. Its a great change.

[Pangolin_Fan]

It’s a pretty dumb change if it’s made to solve a non-existent issue.

[Beeschurger]

Chage only affects second CAS spawn.

It doesnt affect good CAS player in the slightest and doesnt take anyone ability to spawn a first CAS plane.

Further, this change either forces bad CAS players to get better and not lose their first CAS plane or takes away their free ticket to second plane, leaving more space for manuevering and targets for skilled CAS players.

Planes being slow is a non-issue as good CAS player can get them early in the match.

[Herojure24]

@Pangolin_Fan

there’s rarely more than 2-3 planes up

I often have matches with more than 3 planes on both sides zooming around and bombing people. This will just let better players who can stay alive longer get more kills since other pilots will not be able to so easily respawn.

[NewDawnSets]

Really given amount of terrible players I’ve been forced to play with recently, (Sitting in one spot for a whole match, not shooting at targets in the open and just stare at them) it seems to me that a reason ground has gotten worse is because of CAS players. They don’t know how tanks work and just want to fly planes without the worry of actually having to try.

[SilentTracker]

@Herojure24

This will just let better players who can stay alive longer get more kills since other pilots will not be able to so easily respawn.

Not true. The proposed changes make it EASIER to spawn in a plane (even the same one) with Air to Air load-outs, thus making it easier to counter CAS in the air with your own planes.

The amount and level of misunderstanding (and even blatant misinformation) in this thread is staggering. Everyone should take a chill pill and read through the original post fully before resorting to hyperbole.

Things can and always will continue to change and evolve, even if/when this proposed change goes into effect. The best thing everyone should do is try and understand exactly how the new change will work, and argue/advocate for modifications and/or changes after the fact to make it even better.

[Herojure24]

@SilentTracker

Not true. The proposed changes make it EASIER to spawn in a plane (even the same one) with Air to Air load-outs, thus making it easier to counter CAS in the air with your own planes.

It only makes it easier to spawn in the same plane again. Nothing else

[SirinKaslana]

I’m just here for the CAS main tears, and also to see what kind of logical reaches Pangolin_Fan can cook up in his head thinking CAS is either necessary (its not) or that SPAA need either a BR increase or spawn point nerf (they don’t). Its about time the most broken element of this game gets limited in some fashion.

[SilentTracker]

@Herojure24

It only makes it easier to spawn in the same plane again. Nothing else

Again, wrong. If you did not have a fighter AND an attacker/bomber in your lineup, if you tried to spawn a second time with the same class (even with a reduced/anti air load-out), you often would not have enough spawn points. With this change you will be able to either spawn in a second plane that is also a fighter, and/or spawn the same fighter plane in again but with a load-out with reduced spawn point costs.

It is still apparent that you either did not fully read the original official post, or still do not fully understand the implications.

I encourage you and everyone else here to go read the post again. I still have some significant questions as to exactly how it will be implemented (such as exactly HOW many spawn points a potential load-out will cost), but I am strongly in favor of removing the Fighter/Strike/Bomber limitation to CAS:

@magazine2

Changes to the SP cost of additional aircraft spawns in Ground Realistic and Naval Arcade and Realistic Battles

In the future (follow the news!) we’re planning some changes to how spawn points work for aircraft in Ground Realistic and Naval Arcade / Realistic Battles.

How does it work currently? To give you a refresher: if you spawn the same class of aircraft twice, the SP cost for the second spawn increases (so if you spawn an AD-2 and then an AM-1, for example). But it does not increase if you spawn again in a different class of aircraft — which effectively means you can spawn a fighter, attacker/bomber aircraft one after the other at the default cost.

How will it work instead? The spawn cost of the second and subsequent planes you spawn in Ground Realistic and Naval Realistic / Arcade Battles will be determined by the ordinance you used with the previously spawned aircraft, and won’t be impacted by aircraft class. As an example, if you spawn an aircraft with bombs, the cost to spawn another aircraft equipped with bombs increases, even if the class is not the same.

There will be effectively two types of aircraft spawns in regards to SP, fighters (aircraft of any class equipped with air-to-air missiles or no additional weaponry at all) and aircraft equipped with “Strike weapons” (bombs, rockets, AGMs, torpedoes, mines, AP piercing belts).

Two more specific examples include:

• If you spawn a P-47 with bombs (strike weapons) for 600 SP and get shot down, the cost to spawn it again with a backup with no strike weapons will be at the default cost (540 SP).
• If you take a fighter with one bomb (like a Spitfire), the next aircraft you spawn with strike weaponry will increase, and not for fighter aircraft with no strike weapons.

Overall, this changes the SP cost of additional aircraft spawns from a class-based system to a weapon-based system, which is much more streamlined and works more effectively with the intentions of the mechanic. The actual class of an aircraft is almost arbitrary, when it’s the weaponry that actually has an impact. In addition to this being an overall fairer way to distribute spawn cost, this will also result in less strike-capable planes in ground battles, as now it will be more difficult to spawn these aircraft multiple times.