“usually”
You do know that we have guns in the game that were designed to SHATTER an enemy bomber’s structure, right? And they are doing… not that.
We also have weapons that were documented to achieve aerodynamic kills in very few hits, in controlled testing, that also are not doing that.
Therefore it’s inaccurate, and this is not “more realistic”.
->he thinks they went down LMAO
Yeah, which is not true. The clip only shows 20mm hits (and only actually starts hitting when the BF 110 gets directly behind the B-17 so pretty much the entire starting half can actually be ignored as it has no hits, except maybe a singular hit) and that is a fact that has been proven, in these threads no less, because that’s how often it gets posted.
Every time I see this clip as proof of 30mm damage I lose faith in humanity.
Don’t forget the horrible AI audio overlaid on it lol
Also that, it’s not even the original footage, it’s the AI “enhanced” (blurry garbage) version with sounds added after the fact (WW2 gun cameras could not record sound).
Not to mention he used it as a counter when i was talking about 100+ hits to 2x2 meter area on a single wing. lol
How terrible! Surely this will bring me down (after my rear gunner shot down two fighters in a dogfight)
All but one fire already went out.
Nope! I’m unstoppable! Didn’t even have to jettison my bombs!
He shot the engine and wings multiple times in the full vid.
Seems like a whole lot of opinion.
There is no way to tell if it was 20 or 30mm cannons.
Unless… you were there of course?
So since likely we weren’t. We can only assume he used both given he wasn’t downing the bomber.
Jesus ok here we go again.
You’re assuming that Bf 110 G-2s have 30mm guns. By default they don’t, they come with 2 MG 151s in the fuselage floor and 4 MG 17s in the nose. WarThunder actually misslabels the Bf 110 G-2 and what we have is the Bf 110 G-2/R3.
Second, there is. It’s called the gun camera and tracers.
The gun camera of the Bf 110 G-2 sits right in the middle of the nose. Above it would be the MK 108s (or MG 17s), and below it would be the MG 151s.
Every single tracer round we see in the original footage comes from below. Case closed, it cannot be MK 108s.
Hop off with your “sOuNdS lIkE a WhOlE lOt Of OpInIoN” when you have not bothered to do the slightest bit of research here.
You can even see the gun camera on the in-game model.
This is speculation but I imagine you wouldn’t even be able to actually see the footage if the MK 108s were firing, their flash might just block the view.
You do realize, the Mk108s are lower velocity, we don’t know the angle of attack, or anything. You’re doing a whole lot of opinionated assuming.
Considering how low velocity the rounds are in the video, we can only assume they are actually mk108s.
That literally does not matter. Such a goobledegook statement doesn’t even need to be addressed.
They don’t look low velocity at all. And the explosions seen would be way larger if they were.
You are doing exactly the same without providing anything to actually disprove it.
Also that, his very first “counter” is literally his opinion on the round velocity.
Meanwhile even @RoyalWaffles admitted that these are 20mm rounds, because any sound person that isn’t arguing in bad faith can see that.
Suddenly opinionated guesses are basically as good as it comes!
psychologists would have decades of work just studying WT players
I mean and I’m not even doing opinionated assuming.
His argument requires that the tracers suddenly teleport to go below the gun camera. Sure.
Hence, gobbledegook statement. Throwing crap at the wall and seeing if anything sticks.
Disclaimer: this is not i how i approach, or would advise anyone to approach destroying bombers in the game currently, I did it for this video. At the end of the video, because being low on ammo, i used my preferred method which i highly encourage people to do.
If realism was the goal, the wing and all of it’s structure should be completely shredded at the root area where the rounds hit, and due to aerodynamic forces it should be ripped off.
AP belt’s for both the 13mm and 20mm guns.
And because someone will eventually say it’s hard to see that i actually hit it, because of the oil leak blocking the view, here’s the server replay: Gaijin Entertainment - Single Sign On
Yeah no the trailing edge of planes is pretty much as close as you can get to invincible right now.
Sure, if I aimed for other spots of the B-29 it would kill him. This is the worst possible shot you can do right now with HE rounds (technically HE + SAP here).
But 500 20mm rounds into a single specific spot of a bomber should kill. No questions. Just because the trailing edge is more durable doesn’t mean the trailing edge is invincible.
Edit: Should be mentioned, German guns in particular suffer because they also have way lower pen in general than other nations, even when using AP rounds. Anything with less than 20mm pen seems to just not be great.
