The ai gunners are terrible.
Max 0.13 mile range for an ace crew is pretty bad
Not everyone plays on mouse and keyboard
So far you’ve made no actual argument why a nerf should occur (it shouldn’t)z
You’ve only mentioned your feelings.
You know it’s a team game right?
I agree. But as discussed above, for consistency it would have to be applied to planes of different roles that share the same airframe, Me410s for example.
Meanwhile single engine fighters shouldn’t have their wing completely blow off by a single .50cal round either. Different story with HE cannon rounds with sufficient explosive filler ie. minengeschoß.
There are cases of this happening, not many though.
That same logic should then also be applied to bombers; someone needs to present evidence that same percentage of bombers, was able to take as much damage as the percentage of bombers do in-game currently.
I acknowledge there are pictures of bombers surviving massive amounts of damage and being able to land, but find it hard to believe the percentage of them is the same as in game.
Sounds impossible, based on physics alone, that a bombers wing would survive 100+ concentrated hits from 20mm and/or 30mm cannons to a 2x2 meter area on a single wing, without the wing becoming structurally compromised and ripping off. Even when shot directly from behind at the trailing edge. The volume of rounds hitting the trailing edge would quickly remove said trailing edge and anything in it’s path, before reaching the leading edge.
Admittedly the visible damage model in-game is simplified since most if not all planes have 2 wing snapping points modelled, but that should not make a difference.
I mean there’s a pretty famous video of a German interceptor just peppering a b17 with 20mms and 30mms for like 3 mins.
This is a condensed version
I mean, sure i’ve seen that video, but i fail to see how it’s relevant to what i said?
That’s not even close to the kind of concentrated hits i was talking about.
That’s hits all around the plane from the rear, mostly hitting the tail.
B-17s were very famous for having CCTV systems installed
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Yes.
No.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not.
And a simple label does?
Operational role only describes what doctrine intends to do with the aircraft. It tells nothing about airframe robustness. For that, you have to look at the technical specifications.
If the specifications show that the P-61 is 12 tons heavier than a Fw 190, it will logically be more robust, regardless of whether they share the same role.
Let’s not pretend not to get something this obvious.
“usually”
You do know that we have guns in the game that were designed to SHATTER an enemy bomber’s structure, right? And they are doing… not that.
We also have weapons that were documented to achieve aerodynamic kills in very few hits, in controlled testing, that also are not doing that.
Therefore it’s inaccurate, and this is not “more realistic”.
->he thinks they went down LMAO
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Yeah, which is not true. The clip only shows 20mm hits (and only actually starts hitting when the BF 110 gets directly behind the B-17 so pretty much the entire starting half can actually be ignored as it has no hits, except maybe a singular hit) and that is a fact that has been proven, in these threads no less, because that’s how often it gets posted.
Every time I see this clip as proof of 30mm damage I lose faith in humanity.
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Don’t forget the horrible AI audio overlaid on it lol
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Also that, it’s not even the original footage, it’s the AI “enhanced” (blurry garbage) version with sounds added after the fact (WW2 gun cameras could not record sound).
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Not to mention he used it as a counter when i was talking about 100+ hits to 2x2 meter area on a single wing. lol
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How terrible! Surely this will bring me down (after my rear gunner shot down two fighters in a dogfight)
All but one fire already went out.
Nope! I’m unstoppable! Didn’t even have to jettison my bombs!
He shot the engine and wings multiple times in the full vid.
Seems like a whole lot of opinion.
There is no way to tell if it was 20 or 30mm cannons.
Unless… you were there of course?
So since likely we weren’t. We can only assume he used both given he wasn’t downing the bomber.
Jesus ok here we go again.
You’re assuming that Bf 110 G-2s have 30mm guns. By default they don’t, they come with 2 MG 151s in the fuselage floor and 4 MG 17s in the nose. WarThunder actually misslabels the Bf 110 G-2 and what we have is the Bf 110 G-2/R3.
Second, there is. It’s called the gun camera and tracers.
The gun camera of the Bf 110 G-2 sits right in the middle of the nose. Above it would be the MK 108s (or MG 17s), and below it would be the MG 151s.
Every single tracer round we see in the original footage comes from below. Case closed, it cannot be MK 108s.
Hop off with your “sOuNdS lIkE a WhOlE lOt Of OpInIoN” when you have not bothered to do the slightest bit of research here.
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You can even see the gun camera on the in-game model.
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This is speculation but I imagine you wouldn’t even be able to actually see the footage if the MK 108s were firing, their flash might just block the view.
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