You people are severely underestimating the problem
But it’s okay i don’t care i’m farming RPs like nothing
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It would be nice and all if 20mm and 30mm actually did any damage on the bomber models, instead of (as always) 50 cals only. Otherwise, right now it is just praying that you can get a pilot snipe because even this is not reliable with the way they have made it. People saying “just relearn” are part of the problem, why this game will never be balanced. The moment YOUR toys get unreasonable buffs, suddenly the company with poor balancing decision is so great.
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Or how about Gaijin take the reasonable option and ignore the bomber glazers and dial back this massive overstep to a reasonable level because there is no way bombers should be tanking the damage they are right now.
Bomber glazers unironically be like “ye bruh just repeatedly and accurately hit these X number of spots to maybe have a chance at killing the bomber in 10 minutes if they don’t just RTB meanwhile you avoid getting hit in your fighter interceptor which will typically die in 1 or 2 hits because they don’t share the same fantasy damage model”.
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Did bomber survivability needed to be increased ? Yes
Was it a good idea to just move the HP slider all the way to maximum and call it a day? No
Did this lazy solution make guns NOT meant to kill bombers outperform the guns that WERE meant to kill them? Yes
Please fine tune this Gaijin, and soon, not in a rework 10 years later. Dont roll it back because you overtuned it, just make it make sense.
But please dont overreact, monitor it for a month or two and adjust it than
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I think old bomber models (Paper bombers) are not good ı agree with that but right now bombers are too powerfull 20 and 30 mm guns do nothing these guns especially built to kill bombers . u got the point right average 20 and 30 mm gun rounds to kill a bomber in real life is 20 but right now you use all rounds and do little damage . I think War thunder needs to find middle because War thunder known as its realism and ı think this update is a step for better adjustements .
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You only have to aim to fuel tanks and/or engines. Use something that have penetration. If you go with only HE I would recommend to aim for the elevators, and once you made that damage simply go away do not stay with it. If you are hoping for it to explode like before it won’t happen.
If you have any more doubts ask it
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Do you even watch the videos?
Do you want to see more of them?
Do you understand the difference between “oOoOoOoooh a BiT tOo TaNkY” and literally invincible to airfield AAA and almost impossible to take down?
Because currently the only way to take down a bomber is:
- Hope for a pilot snipe
- Put enough lead through the fuel tanks to empty them
- Ram them and hope for the best
- Hope for one lucky shot to the extremely tiny tail controls
sorry i forgot, all of the above while being shot at by multiple small to heavy calibers machineguns or even cannons
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well they could have just ignored the fighter mafia crying about bombers to begin with and this whole situation could have been avoided, but here we are… and its the fighter mafia that started it, so if they have a problem they can take a good hard look in the mirror.
Well that’s probably because bomber glazers were also acting as if their death stars were totally fine about 10 years ago as well, but again people like you are the problem. Bomber glazers have such a crab mentality it is unreal, everything just boils down to “ye bruh bomber damage models have been bad for ages so now we get to be broken now hehe”.
It’s such a regressive way of thinking and makes the game all the poorer for it and only damages the credibility of bomber glazers. As I said to someone else in another thread who eventually just dropped all false pretence and just admitted they wanted bombers to be OP now, you’re the problem. You only see things in black or white and have no interest in a reasonable middle ground.
To address another point bomber glazers keep bringing up - “muh fighters just have to use tactics!”. So a fighter or interceptor now has to jump through a dozen hoops to try to kill a bomber whilst being one stray shot from a tail gunner from disintegrating whilst what does the bomber have to do? Nothing. Turn tail towards enemy and spray with your infinite ammo.
Anyway, this is trying to reason with the unreasonable and a waste of time. These buffs will definitely be getting scaled back in the near future.
Edit: False flaggers.
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It’s rich using the fighter tactics from WW2, but you fail to mention that bomber players always enjoy 500-1000m alt difference in all matches since fighters always have to climb to bomber alt, while bombers start at 4,000 and all they need to do is just keep climbing. In this case you always end up being in a favourable position to punish a fighter who did not have the “needed” burst to kill the bomber and is stalling under it, or has to engage it from behind.
By this logic make all fighters and interceptors start at the same altidute as bombers so they can be hunted down :)
I swear, most of you do not even play the same game as us. Hell some of you have not even played fighters before.
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No, I went into some matches and intercepted bombers,
No I don’t want your next lot of cheery picked examples any more then the 1st.
better then the fighter mafia that complained about bomber survivability and caused this problem to begin with.
yes… I have soooo much games in bombers…
a whopping 1767 bomber battles out of over 20k air battles… such a bomber glazer I am…
Yeah… cuz WW2 interceptors just spawned at the same alt as the bombers didn’t they?
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yes… I have soooo much games in bombers…
a whopping 1767 bomber battles out of over 20k air battles… such a bomber glazer I am…
You could have zero battles in bombers and still be a bomber glazer. Games played in bombers has little to do with it.
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Cherry picked? I can literally join a game right now and do whatever i want with a bomber and not be stopped
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Guys, are we seriously doing this again?
We already had a 2500 message thread and extras all about this stuff.
Gaijin has their sources, the bomber side of the argument has sources supporting gaijin’s, and the fighter side had sources with blenheim and he111 tail sections as targets, all of these arguments here have already happened before
Just drop it, make your bug reports where gaijin will actually see it, and in the meantime improve your aim against cockpits, engines, and tails. Thats literally all it takes to send a bomber to the ground within a few minutes
The boys and I have spent the last 6-7 hours just playing bombers, and bomber hunters, and heres what weve seen, people having fun, gunship duels, having a chance to limp a battered bomber home and put your airmanship to the test, BOMBER FORMATIONS, like my god, its like old war thunder is peaking out of the shadows for the first time in a decade, and its something weve needed for so, so long.
Bombers feel good against gunfire, and even line up with previously established documentation, maybe bump fire damage a bit, and reduce their resistance to collisions, add a few more modules like hydraulics systems and superchargers, and we are pretty much set. Experienced players can kill em in one pass, inexperienced players will die, complain, then learn, and itll be fine. Same reaction as aim54s and fakours, hell, back in the day bombers were more durable if anything and the community figured out how to kill em anyhow.
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LOL why would I glaze something I don’t play if it’s OP? seriously the cope is so funny I’m having a hard time staying serious and not just going full on troll.
Good for you, but like I said, give the dim witted fighter main some time to get it through their thick skulls they need to us TACTICS to engage bombers again and see how it goes then… remember Phoenix A missiles where OP AF until people learned.
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LOL why would I glaze something I don’t play if it’s OP? seriously the cope is so funny I’m having a hard time staying serious and not just going full on troll.
You tell me because that is exactly what you are doing.
As I said previously, you are the problem because you only see things in black or white. You thinking there is nothing wrong with how bombers currently are is peak delusion.
Bombers were not reasonable before the patch.
Bombers are not reasonable after the patch.
They should be somewhere in-between but people like you who are so mind-numbingly polarised have absolutely zero room for nuance.
Frankly not going to waste any more time arguing against the unreasonable, this overbuff will most certainly see a correction before long so time will prove me right. Enjoy.
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Ok, so you actually haven’t read half of what I have said have you?
And from a closed thread:
oddly if you only focus on half my points it would seem that way.
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We don’t need to read your cherry picking experiences
Do we?
good, because you obviously hand been spending the time to actually read my points before arguing them to begin with.
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Given the comprehension you have demonstrated I think you are wasting your time trying to read anything.
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