Changes I'd make for every Nation's Top Tier SPAA in War Thunder

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If I could change some things with one of every Nation’s Top Tier SPAAs these would be my changes

US - (ADATS) Add TWS to ADATS, 85 degree camera elevation, gun stabilizer, shoot on the move, and fix the FLIR not locking targets

GER - (IRIS-T SLM) IRIS-T SL missile becomes DIRCM resistant, TRML-4D radar properly modeled as an AESA radar

RUS - (Pantsir-SM SV) Remove from the game

UK - (Sky Sabre) CAMM and CAMM-ER missiles can be fired from TEL via IR Optics, Giraffe AMB radar properly modeled as a PESA radar

Japan - (Type 03 Chu-SAM) JANS-P24 radar to be properly modeled as a AESA radar

China - (HQ-11) add missing multi vehicle LD-3000 CIWS truck

Italy - (SAMP/T) Arabel properly modeled as a AESA radar, Give the ASTER-30 missile PIF-PAF, increase the max range to 120km and reduce the artificial drag coefficient significantly

France - ^ Same thing as Italy ^

Sweden - (EldE 98) Giraffe 1X properly modeled as a AESA radar, IRIS-T DIRCM resistant

Israel - (SPYDER) exMHR radar properly modeled as a AESA radar, full hemispheric coverage

Most of these changes are calling for proper modeling of PESA/AESA radars which Gaijin has only modeled correctly on the Pantsir S1/SM and Buk-M3.

These Russian systems have their own designated PESA and AESA TRK radars which have the correct modeled ESA scanning patterns when used in a TRK phase whereas systems like the IRIS-T SLM and Sky Sabre use a combined SRC + TRK radar dish that does not fire all the beams like an Electronically scanned radar does but works more like an advanced mechanical radar.

It’s crucial these Western systems get a proper remodeling of their radar to better track incoming munitions so they aren’t constantly overwhelmed by the numerous amounts of munitions launched from FnF Helicopters to better justify their higher BR placement. Also if these changes were made I’d obviously expect a lot BR changes

It’s unfair that a single Buk-M3 TELAR or Pantsir-S1/SM can be stuck on a constant TRK scan and perfectly track hundreds of incoming munitions, aircraft, and helicopters while other Multi vehicle SPAA’s struggle to track multiple targets with the same pin point accuracy

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Elde change is literally useless, just get rid of the vehicle, stop trying to bandaid a vehicle gaijin has no interest in making work. Also you mention the DIRCM resistance for the SLM but not the SLS?

Either you don’t know anything about the vehicle or you just wanted to I get the bare minimum to include a nation so you can focus on nations you actually care about while saying you care about every nation .

Same with with the Spyder, again some of these choices feels like you did no research just to include them

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Didnt later versions have AESA? I so wish they would update it to that it the other ones are getting AESA

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Funny how they get the best Cas and the best aa

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I know the IRIS-T SL missile reuses the standard IRIS-T seeker so the IRIS-T on the EldE 98 would also have the DIRCM resistance, my bad for not including that in my list

Yes, I’ve done more research into the ADATS, SAMP/T and IRIS-T SLM missile systems as opposed to something less relevant like the EldE 98. I focused on the EldE 98 because I haven’t researched much on the NASAMS as a whole other than the US NASAMS which is a Gaijin Frankenstein vehicle.

I have researched the SPYDER AIO, I’m just not confident I know enough about the I-DERBY SR/ER missiles and Python 5 to say much but please enlighten me what else I missed so i can include it in this list

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At least let me know what I missed so I can include it in this list I obviously haven’t researched everything as extensively as each other

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NASAMS/CLAWS (AIM-9X) should also have LDIRCM resistance

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I know Diehl directly quotes the IRIS-T to have resistance against blinding lasers but what source infers the AIM-9X is immune to DIRCM? I’m not doubting the AIM-9X have LDIRCM resistance but I need a source

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The Elde isn’t even functional, it’s been admitted by the devs they don’t care to implement it’s mobility correctly or fix its double lofting missiles just like the SLM. Trust me I could rant all day about the Elde because I’m the only one who actually plays it.

Nasama would need to look at the radar on both Nasams and on the claws, as that thing is all kinds of borked

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Didn’t know the AN/MPQ-64 was a phased array radar

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I would remove the magic mach 5+ at sea level missiles and smoke grenades. Other nations can get similar anti-munition systems added too. Skyranger 30, Dragonfire, etc.

All SAMs should also have their ability to intercept munitions improved significantly.

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You’ve never used the thing have you

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I’ve used them all, what are you implying I don’t know?

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you can use my thread
Proof of LDIRCCM capability in IIR against Laser DIRCM