You can call 23 k/h average fine if you want, I have different standards, and the reason I say the gun handling is bad is because of the turret traverse, that screws people over a lot especially when dealing with flankers. I personally cannot imagine a situation where it works over 8.0 without a complete BR rework and rebalance of the stuff it’s facing.
Un-nerfing APCR, un-nerfing APDS, un-nerfing HEAT & HEATFS, un-nerfing HESH, un-nerfing big HE - not one of those has been tried yet.
You are correct that increasing the Maus’s penetration on its own gun won’t help it - but increasing penetration and postpen on all the ammo types that should damn well kill it in the 5.7-6.7 range will balance the thing properly.
Simple - Maus dies more often due to its historical opponents actually being able to kill it reliably. Its stats go down. The BR goes down with it. Suddenly the “unbalanceable tank” is quite balanced.
This is correct, but a vehicle as painfully slow as that really ought to deserve being near-immortal frontally against standard tank guns. Yet meanwhile an artillery piece lobbing 150mm HE should send it to the shadow realm without question, nevermind a bomb.
Against what kind of opponents? Frontally impenetrable does not equal overpowered - I seriously consider any player who equates those two automatically without considering the other traits of the vehicle as borderline brain-damaged.
Nah, it’s called “why do people claim the Maus is so unbalanceable, and can we fix that instead?”
All the ammo types that should easily pen and kill the damn thing have been the subject of ridiculous and often repeated nerfing over the years, mainly to service the whining of Russian Tier V tank mains. Every single nerf unintentionally made the Maus stronger, which is what rendered it unbalanceable in the first place.
Thus I propose the “radical” idea to peel back the old nerfing so it is suddenly killable reliably, and therefore quite balanceable. Not hard to rationalize.
Morbility because it’s morbidly obese
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I had been thinking of stuff like make the pen on the long 90 and 76 realistic instead of the Maus, it would historically actually get a significant decrease as I said earlier.
F***ing killed me lol
Absolutely perfect!
base examples of what you encounter most often.
You see thats exactly the issue - it doesn’t matter how much tanks can pen it, what matters is how much tanks can’t pen it. You need much less tanks that can’t pen it to make it a nightmare for lower BRs.
Why is your answer to any issue in this game to just buff a whole bunch of other stuff? You do realise buffing a million other vehicles creates a much bigger balancing issue than some people crying the maus is too high.
One vehicle is simply so out of the ordinary it makes it hard to balance and your answer is to just make everything else stronger by different amounts without that somehow requiring rebalancing the entire low to midtier of the game??
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It’s not just for the Maus, it’s that they’ve nerfed stuff like HESH and big HE into the ground. And they wouldn’t stay at their current BRs if it made the vehicle significantly more powerful, like the M44 might move up to 4.3 or 4.7 if it got that buff because then it could kill much heavier vehicles with ease.
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Did I ever say it was just for the maus??? Any time someone complains stuff is unbalanced he comes in and says to buff 50+ other vehicles. It just makes no sense that because the maus suffers in uptier (like fucking every vehicle) gaijin should apply sweeping buffs and have to rebalance their entire game.
It would be akin to someone saying there is no good place to put a chair in their garden so that it can be in the shade the entire day and someone else comes in and suggests they bulldoze the entire garden plus half their house and then bring in fully grown trees and plant those.
The proposed solution introduces more problems and is wildly impractical for a slight issue.
No!
Only the Maus suffers in an uptier
And the Su-30 premiums!!!
It’s impossible that everything else would ever do that
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It’s not for a slight issue, you just said that
That means that there are multiple vehicles with extreme issues, and his proposed solutions are not only good because of historical accuracy and the fact that this game prides itself on realism, but they’re effective for balance. Doing all the ammo/CAS fixes combined with some rework of the BR system would fix just about every uptier/unbalanced vehicle issue in the game right now.
No it does not. It just means he wants to buff them. Sure it might be historically wrong with the pen but that train has left long ago with gaijin switching to modelling all the pen values. And not that many vehicles really suffer that much in that regard when it comes to BR placement. He just advocates for blanket buffs that would require rebalancing everything for no real gain in the end.
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Some of them don’t necessarily provide long term gain, but others do. He has a full plan to rework the cap and spawn system that would fix spawn camping and force actual teamwork, and he has solutions for dealing with CAS that would completely solve the problem. While the devs are working on stuff like that there’s no reason to not improve accuracy and also make a ton of vehicles more fun to play by fixing stuff like HEAT, APDS, APCR, and HESH.
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You are arguing with someone who just wants to argue cause it’s his way or the highway.
Not my fault you were trying to argue that making the opponents more capable of killing the Maus didn’t make them more capable of killing the Maus.
Oh there is far worse arguers than him on these god forsaken forums trust me.
Never seen his arguments for spawn and cap systems but his proposals for fixing CAS just involve overbuffing already too strong SPAA and thus making them an even worse thing to deal with if you are playing ground vehicles. They already lerform better than many mbts and light vehicles and his proposal is just to make them better without any counters or anything. That is my main issue with his proposal.
I agree. I cannot imagine in any way a player with a tank lower than 7.3 happily greeting the maus.
Me in my amx m4