I should have clarified more with
In my head I was thinking of the lower plate spall liner but didn’t type that out. That’s on me.
@VatnikWrangler22 Im going to save all of your points to my hopium list and dream.
Saying probably and potentially is pure hopium. Do we really expect Gaijin to favor additions to NATO tanks? Of course not. How many tanks still are using the same composites after 30+ years that AT SOME POINT received more effective composites? Abrams and 2A7, those are only 2 I know.
Of course all tanks have weak mantlets, its going to be a natural weak spot.
problem being, with the remodel the CR2 mantlet should have upwards of 600mm of protection to the left and right of the gun. Simply based off the numbers in the game, 400 + 60 + 30 + 30(Volumetric 50mm-70mm) we are at 520mm of protection thats without factoring in angels and armour modifiers yet somehow we still only have 250mm of mantlet protection.
With all of that said, CR3 TD is using the pre-remodel mantlet design which is just a slab of 200mm with a 30mm cover. So unless we get evidence of the CR3 mantlet we are going to get the worse model.
I want the Challenger 3 to be good just as the next person, but Gaijin has show they are incapable of any leeway when it comes to NATO tanks that aren’t Sweden. I have absolutely 0 faith for the CR3 to bring anything slightly competitive to the British TT, I would love to be proven wrong and honestly hope I am but as it currently stands, I don’t have any faith.
That’s a inaccuracy/bug btw…
“Saying probably and potentially is pure hopium. Do we really expect Gaijin to favor additions to NATO tanks? Of course not. How many tanks still are using the same composites after 30+ years that AT SOME POINT received more effective composites? Abrams and 2A7, those are only 2 I know.”
I’m saying probably / potentially not out of hopium, but because we don’t know because the tank is a prototype and the specifications aren’t final yet.
Do I think the Challenger 3 is going to be the best tank in War Thunder? No, but its not just a sidegrade Challenger 2.
Its shares some of the same downsides as the other Challengers (Mantlet and speed mostly), but improves significantly in other areas.
Not just being able to just UFP the Challenger 3 essentially doubles the effective area covered by armour, its a huge buff.
Thats my very crude rendition of the Challenger 2’s “effective frontal armour” in red.
Thats my also very crude rendition of the Challenger 3 (The actual CR3 not the TD’s) effective frontal armour in red)
Those aren’t 100% accurate, but you get the point.
That’s going to make the tank a whole lot harder to kill, which means the armour is actually worth something.
Do you know for 100% that the CR3 has improved armour protection on the hull and turret?
If it has improved armour protection, the question becomes how much?
Since thats the important part for Gaijin. 1000 sources can say it has improved protection but unless there is a hard number for Gaijin, its not going to get any improved protection.
Looks like the Challenger 3’s LWS will be removed too.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/aK9XbbUgKMz0
oh great…
Well time for 3TD to 11.3 then
Yes…. You can literally see the ufp has additional armour of +50mm. It categorically uses a new composite too…
Your diagrams have been great.
While I admit I am over-exaggerating my posts, Gaijin only accepts hard numbers on protection.
While yes, the graphics show that CR3 has improved protection. What does improved mean, it can mean a variety of different aspects of the armour. “Improved Protection” can mean a whole host of different improvements.
- Lighter?
- Thicker?
- Different Material?
- Different Array layout?
CR3 can have a new composite, but until a hard number can be found on its protection, all we are realistically going to get is a additional 50mm plate on the front.
I just hope for the 3TD to get 5 seconds of reload time. It would be suitable for fighting in cities, because all the other CRs in the game have ammo at the back which leads to an OHKO as soon as you come across an enemy
Hey guys does the Challenger 3 have blowout pannels, and if so do You have any source or pic about it?
You know that isn’t happening.
Yeah… Then I hope the 2A7V and equivalents move to 12.3 and the 3TD stays put
You also know this isn’t happening.
I don’t think we’ve had any clear shots of the roof yet? The images of the model shared earlier will probably be your best bet I think
Yeah… Get ready for CR3TD to be a higher BR than the 2A7V
Probably not higher, but they’ll keep it at the same BR as the 2A7V/STRV122 variants because it’s the UKs “top top tier tank”.
Need to give that illusion of an 11.7 line-up by just shoving everything up to fill it. Same with italy.
Mk ty, for My knowledge Main ammo for the Challenger 3 should be DM63 and DM11 wich use insensitive propellant and explosive for the warhead, so it could be that it dosent have a blowout pannel
Though they are developing a new shell for the Challenger 3. We dont know much about it yet, but its possible that shell would have a different propellent