i do know the clip, just was never certain if they didnt just insert a clip of it as filler as advertisment
No? I never said that?
Rhinemetall can just ask “hey can we do some extra research with this while we have it?” and the MOD can say yes with no further investment or care.
By your own argument the Germans have just as much claim to stuff like the LMUK Boxers or the RO IWS Leopards, entirely British programmes, but using German Chassis, should go to them right?
I’m not particularly new, I’ve read most points, but thank you for the summary.
I agree that it should go to both, if that becomes necessary, with both ideally getting more unique designs.
The issue with the Cent 140 is the same issue raised with the Leopard 2a4 140: it’s an older chassis that wouldn’t really “match up” to other options.
I don’t really intend to get dragged into the conversation, just wanted to say my piece, but thank you for explaining a bit more.
Then begs the question, why does German need a 130 when they could get 3 Leopards with 140’s? These are all more combat effective and better.
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Rheinmetall does state the 130mm gun was combined with an autoloader
thats questionable. you are comabring last gen cannons to new generation ones.
There is a lot of different tech that goes into it as well, like the better thermals, autoloader and so on.
Pz.87-140 (Late) has modern technology…
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There was a 140mm tank gun developed, but it was never mounted on anything AFAIK, just fired from test stands.
A bit like the ZA 120/140 guns
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yeah that one
They do care though as interest and potential for the 130mm was already shown. Also adding a testing a 130mm on your test bed tank adds added risk to your tank if you had no intrest in the gun you wouldn’t want that extra risk. This also did cost the MoD as they would been paying for the up keep and the crew of the tank because the crew is defiantly not German
modern is relativ, the new autoloaders are way faster, and 87s should have gen 1 thermals as well as far as i am aware
Nail in the coffin right there lol
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again possible advertisment since they are supposed to be used together.
For a single shot advertisment video, i have no clue
I honestly just dont know what has been actualy done with it.
It could be the case or not
Late has Gen 2/3 thermals taken from the RUAG upgrade of the 2A4, along with the additional turret composite armour. It also got an assisted loader to help the loader, unlike the Early which had no loading assistance at all and averaged a ~14s reload.
the Ruag upgrade programm is seperate, that never went trough
Technology was shared, this is common. They put alot of effort into this 140 as it was seen as the way forward and most likely will be in the near future…
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we could discuss that in dms or in the actual suggestion thread of it, but i dont wanna divert and start a leopard discussion here now
The point stands, Germany is inundated with options (4-5 rn)
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challenger 130 being one of them.
I have explained why we have to go bank or bust, if we want the actual modern weaponry we deserve.
Strictly speaken if we count germanys 140, the british one counts as well
easiest path is just give it to both nations.
That doesnt even hurt tthe UK