Are the German mains still trying to get a decent MBT for their TT by trying to steal one of ours?
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This was proof of concept a 130 would work in CHALLENGER, any data pulled WAS used for MGCS
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"The British tank is a little wider than the Leopard 2, making things easier,” he says. Within the limited three weeks time the work concentrated on verifying how the 130 mm gun is well balanced inside a current 120 mm turret, checking stabilisation.
The main objective for Rheinmetall is the MGCS programme, in which the 130 mm competes against Nexter’s 140 mm proposal. "
Proof of concept for germany and france. Thats the official statement of Christoph Henselmann
So its a COMPLETE conincidence that a few weeks before this was made CR2 ATD was shown off with 130 ammunition then?
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i did not deny that when it was shared.
and neither did i say britain likely wasnt a customer or intrested either.
I am only quoting the official rheinmetall sources.
Whoch i wanna state, were in an english interview and not a german one.
I guess this furthur backs up the Challenger 3 being able to fit a 130mm
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after modifications yes, i dont know how much the frontal turret changes actualy play into it
Or if they are necesary
Second paragraph. just above your own extract
the vehicle is british owned, the 130 was tested with permission
in other words this is british, because its british, from britain, for britain
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Modifying the frontal turret would involve making an entirely new turret structure, I imagine they just installed a different trunnion and gun mounting
You can visually see its the same as the LEP turret , including the frontal part (excluding the addon panels)
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once again, the loan of a vehicle alone didnt mean anything. It does not correspond to actualy being a part in it. Britains can allow rheinmetall to allow a research project of their own if they ask, while not having a part in it.
Rheinmetall has to ask if they wanna do a private venture, they werent just allowed to do it.
The customer playing into cause the original reason its there was cause of the challenger 3 project for which the UK mod is the customer.
Riddle me this, Batman, when you send your car to a bodyshop do they then own the car when its at the shop?
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Yeah and the 130mm that was advertised for that programme a few months before has no connection
The tank being designed for it in mind has no connection
The mod giving approval some how does mean they are interested
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they have all the responsibility for it in case sth happens yeah. they build a full custom body for the car for a photoshooting,cause another overseas customer was intrested but removed everythign before returning it to you.
Did you yourself ever have hands on the car with the bodyshop? or did you just get payed for loaning your car of to the bodyshop, so it can advertise their car mod to another customer
Thats not the same as owning the title tho is it?
they dont own it at all. never did
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might be, that being said another question is, if the full autoloader was installed.
Its the problem with it being a techmod, we just dont know enough
i never said germany owned it. but you gave it away to be advertised to someone else.
Here you go the suggestion rules as well.
The nation that made it still was germany, the vehicle was advertised by Rheinmetall germany, not RBSL.
Explain to me why it is a Rheinmetall germany project and not a RBSL project.
If it was made for the UK. Why is it Rheinmetall germany?
No, not really, The tank was still owned by the MOD, any modification outside the already agreed scope would require contractual renegotiation. That’s just basic business.
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Preferably, both nations would get a native/unique design (130 KF-51 for Germany, for example). Britain should get the Chally 130 regardless since it’s the only option for a “big gun” mbt, if Germany ends up with no other option because Gaijin pulls “reasons” then the Chally 130 is an option there as well, or if they get a native design it could come as a premium vehicle. Essentially, the “best” option (the one that would leave the least people frustrated) would be both get the designs that fit the tree (Chally 130 for UK, KF-51 for Germany), but it could go to both either to provide more options or if no other choice is made available.
IF Germany got it, it should be event at best not tech tree
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so it was allowed to happen by the british, because CR3 requirements were 120mm or higher. This showed the option for bigger was plausible.