The point stands, Germany is inundated with options (4-5 rn)
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challenger 130 being one of them.
I have explained why we have to go bank or bust, if we want the actual modern weaponry we deserve.
Strictly speaken if we count germanys 140, the british one counts as well
easiest path is just give it to both nations.
That doesnt even hurt tthe UK
All of the German/Swiss 130/140 (Outside of CR2 130, which was shown off for Britain as an alternative to the 120) were made by Germany/Switzerland, for German/Switzerland for testing for Germany/Switzerland.
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as i have stated the KF51 130, if gajin gets stupid ideas, they give it to italy and hungary, cause they are the service users of the 120mm version.
To prevent it, we gotta fight for the challenger 130, to prevent precedents.
The 140mm leos, 1 is so old and unknown we dont realy have data.
And the swiss one is quite a bit older as well.
Embt with ascalon 140mm, well there the same discussion can start again with the french
easiest path is giving germany a leopard with the big gun
one less exclusive tank hurts the uk tree. Why would someone play a minor nation when major nations can whine their way into getting it,
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You do not have a fight for a tank that is an RBSL product (apart from 3 things), made for Britain and shown off with a German gun and was around for 3 WEEKS. Saying “X nation can claim this tank due to this gun” won’t go the way you think it will.
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leopard with 130mm doesnt exist sadly
lets be honest, if that single tank is the do or die for the UK, the tree is likely dead anyway.
i dont even consider france or britain to be minor trees.
They have nearly the same amount as vehicles at this point.
And have in my opinion still the same prospects for great additions like germany as well.
Only the focus being different.
While germany is more focused on ground. UK has the way better air top tier, with better EFT (as much as radar and lws count) and the potential to still get the rafale and the SU 30
I love Uks potential to get the funky Vtol F-35 as well.
If you can’t make an EFT work with a slightly worse radar, thats not a game issue unfortunately
Not even the same argument at all ( You know we make Boxers aswell right)
just mentioning again, it was released under Rheinmetall germany and has the rheinmetall germany markings. It is not a RBSL product, never has been.
If its whole intent was for the UK, why was it not released under the RBSL Trademark?
i dont consider it realy being big difference, thats why i sarcasticaly put it into ()
Challenger 2ATD (62 KK 62) is an RBSL product through and through. The gun is not, nor is the 120mm Rhn L/55A1. Does Germany now have a claim over this because it is a Rheinmetal gun?
Do you see how ridiculous this sounds?
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OH MY GOODNESS
There is little to no evidence for it being a british intended programme
Rhinemetall - THE PEOPLE DOING IT - have literally stated it was for internal testing like holy moly just stop fuckin coping lmao.
“The main objective for Rheinmetall is the MGCS programme, in which the 130 mm competes against Nexter’s 140 mm proposal.” - https://www.edrmagazine.eu/the-way-ahead
Is showing off the expand-ability for the CR3 programme a nice bonus? Yes. Was it a goal? No.
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that one we have nothing to do with.
Its a product made for the UK. with the intent purpose of becoming the service tank
The challenger 130 is a diferent vehicle advertised towards germany and is not the tank that is coming into british service
Panther. Its a modified leopard with a 130mm. so yes it does
They certainly are treated as so, the really low player counts also keep it that way.
not this lie again. its 10 degrees of scan on a radar that is already super wide in scan. cease the coping.
unlikley to get a rafale, at least if it happens it would be nerfed back to realistic.
its gonna be mid dw
Yes the data for this project was MGCS, the intent was to show a 130 could work in a CHALLENGER and work at all in an MBT…
careful, next thing they gonna call you a wehrabo, if i remember right you were in the “british” camp yopurself and a big canada supporter
The intent was to demonstrate the ability to fit the 130 and autoloader to older types…
But I guess we should probably add this to Germany then huh
Only British part of it was the gun so I guess that makes it a German addition by the framework you are arguing for.
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not a leopard
and
i mean, they are treated like most other nations.
Germany aint being treated better if you believe so, not since a long time.
We aint russia.
again, i dont care about it, i never supported the notion, i put it sarcasticaly in ()
you should definitly, i support every nation to get all their rightfully deserved vehicles, they supported in development or get via subtree.
i mean, not all vehicles need to be meta, there can be funky ones as well.
And didnt u have 2 versions of F-35? one that was more “meta”
So the tank, used by Canada originally, bought by RO, used by RO for marketing, upgraded by RO, tested by RO with the RO IWS 105. Now belongs to Germany??? Hell of a leap, since they never bought the CR2 used for the 130, only loaned
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