That is likely the stock value
Maybe so
Yes, hint this thread.
CR3(TD)… there isnt much hope for it. 5 second reload like the Ariete got would be good, but apart from that… we’ll have to wait for the CR3(P)
CR2s though… well… thats what this thread is for
Im not very certain, but I think that the challanger 3 td uses a challanger 2 hull.
The decision to reuse the Challenger 2 hull for the Challenger 3 is a strategic choice driven by a balance of cost, time, and capability. While the hull is a carry-over, the upgrade program is so extensive that the Challenger 3 will be a fundamentally different and more capable tank.
The “New Tank” is an Old Hull
The Challenger 3 is an upgrade of 148 existing Challenger 2 tanks. The program replaces virtually everything above the hull—including the turret, main gun, fire control system, and a new modular armor package. The original Challenger 2 hull is stripped down, overhauled, and then rebuilt with new components. This approach is more akin to a “remanufacture” than a simple upgrade. The most significant changes include:
- New Turret: The old cast-steel turret of the Challenger 2 is replaced with a brand new welded turret. This design is more spacious and provides enhanced protection for the crew.
- New Main Gun: The iconic L30A1 120mm rifled gun is being replaced with the NATO-standard Rheinmetall 120mm L55A1 smoothbore gun. This is a massive change, giving the tank access to the latest kinetic energy penetrators and providing ammunition commonality with NATO allies like Germany and the United States.
- Improved Hull: While the basic hull structure is from the Challenger 2, it’s being fitted with an upgraded third-generation Hydrogas suspension system and a new modular armor package. This improves both mobility and survivability.
Pros and Cons of Reusing the Hull
This approach has both advantages and disadvantages.
Advantages:
- Cost-Effective: Upgrading an existing platform is significantly cheaper than designing and manufacturing a new tank from scratch.
- Faster Development: Reusing the proven hull design accelerates the development and production timeline, getting the new tanks to the army sooner.
- Supply Chain Continuity: It leverages existing logistics and maintenance knowledge, reducing the complexity of fielding a completely new vehicle.
Disadvantages:
- Design Limitations: The hull’s age can be a limiting factor. While it’s being upgraded, it might not be able to incorporate the most advanced features of a tank designed from the ground up.
- Limited Numbers: The number of Challenger 3s is capped by the existing Challenger 2 fleet. This restricts the total number of new tanks to 148, which some critics argue is too small for a modern army, which i agree with.
[Written by AI but i’ve fact checked it]
No one is putting this much effort into a war thunder forums reply vro 💔. We all know its ai 🥀.
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On top of that, thats not why. Apparently, it was just a way to show the turret. They hadn’t designed a hull yet, hence why its a demonstrator
Even tho… the info is true you have to amit !!
I give the parameters to it, it did it’s research gathered the information and presented it !!
They have confirmed that they are reusing challenger 2 Hull’s for the production challenger 3s which is why the numbers are so low.
AI “research” should always be taken with a shovel of salt. It routinely gets things wrong, makes mistakes or just makes things up. It has no context for what its saying.
Finding sources sure, but I wouldnt trust it with being factually accurate.
Now in this instance, it looks okay but I still wouldnt trust it implicitly
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I wouldn’t have put it up if i hadn’t of checked it which i did. I know it can make mistakes which is why i checked and it actually got it all right.
Am not noob to all this like i have basically every challenger 1 and 2 books out there so i my challenger 1 and 2s since i read all there books
Thats fine then, but usually a “written with AI but i’ve fact checked it” disclaimer is usually a good idea
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Will put that on in the future.
I still remembered TES side armor that can survive BMP2M and Vikhr because those unable to pen TES side armor
You knew how that went shorty after
I don’t expect their incompetent going to do anything about it
Only thing that can save Britain at this point is give them sub tree with Abrams or Leopard2.
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I remember a russian helicopter firing its atgm at me and hitting my side twice in the TES and doing nothing to me and i fired an L27 round at him and killed him !!
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It would be really cool to play challenger without wondering if eating caltrops would prove a more pleasant experience.
Don’t give it such credit. A broken clock proves right twice a day. We should really start implementing rules against it. It is far easier to have discussions with people who are invested in the topic instead of palming it off to the unthinking, uncaring machine to hallucinate with.
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Hah I swear their incompetency made me quit this game for about three months i had to come back because my gf want me help her grinding Thai sub tree Oplot
and still their incompetency never charge while i’m gone.
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Errrrr L28 is non DU export round for Oman I think?
Nope British Army started L28A1 procurement in 2001 (at least according to some sources) after the backlash of using DU rounds in the media. https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=843
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