Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 1)

I don’t see a TTD thread on the new forums so I guess I will ask you guys about your opinions on the topic.

I think that the TTD model we have got in game was given as much care as a foster-kid in an abusive familly.

Let me begin with the LFP armour. As we know, the Union of South Africa had many restrictions about importing weapons. They wanted to do their own thing (with a slight help from KMW) and the TTD was born.

In game it’s an alright tank, the only problem I get with it are the RPMs on the gear ratios making it more sluggish than a spaded CR1 MK.2 and the reload.

In spite of that, I think the model was done very poorly.

  1. Lower front plate armour. I don’t think the game representation is accurate at all. The structural steel (which is a inheritance from the Centurions) is sticking to the UFP and goes to the bottom of the floor, the driver’s legs do not exceed further than the backing of the UFP. Bearing in mind that KMW has influenced that project, I cannot believe that the LFP is just one plate of steel. Let me give my visualisation:
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There is a lot of space between the front-facing plate and the structucal steel, allowing the LFP to have at least some amount of composite armour (In consequence - any HE shell just 1HKO’s yo ass when hit). But I can’t find any sources on that, I believe that the only people who know if my thoughts are correct or not are the people involved in the creation of the tank and the South African Armour Museum staff.

  1. The armour on the gun shield is displayed with a composition that is thicker the cheeks, but is actually both weaker and thinner.

  1. The model has some strange (IMO) bends and dents on the left cheek (frontal perspective). The plate on the cheek is 1-2.5 degree more inclined from top to bottom. It looks like the rolling process has failed and in the end the plated that was welded wasn’t fully straight. It is the same case for the gun shielf. I don’t know if it’s the case in real life. I can’t figure it out from the images I got to see on the web. Maybe someone knows?

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That being said. I really enjoy the tanks and play it alogside the Vickers mk.7 and both Challengers. It has the capability to play at 10.3 no problem. I really fancy the idea that Britain can have some meta tanks like the Leo2A4 and base M1 - the Vic and TTD kinda fills thier roles in the UK tree.

What do you think?

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How on earth? It takes ages to get the RP for a free ace on a premium tank.

Play it obsessively until you break

Yea, its a forgotten thing. I have read somewhere it had an autoloader. Well, it need some work, but gaijin is not in a hurry with it

If we’re talking about South African prototypes I would like to see a reload buff for the MTTD, DM63, and higher gen thermals. Digital zoom would be good but I’ll wait until everyone gets it.

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— Remember, fellow soldiers, once and for all, that the cannon shoots at a parabola.
One of the recruits:
— Comrade Ensign, it turns out that you can shoot from around the corner if you put the gun on its side!
The ensign thought for a moment:
— You can… But according to the regulations it is not allowed!

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CR2 OES/TES lack of hull side appliqué armor




Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any more clear pictures

Compare to standard CR2



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What part are you talking about? The Sideplate mounts seen on the first pic?

Yes, almost entire hull side has appliqué armor similar as Leopard 2A7V

That, right?
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Oh that, now that puts us in a weird place
@Fireball_2020 any info on this?
well, at least we have a reference for thiccness in suspension flange
Yea can be seen here


AUGHHHHHHH more work

Quick search, but it seems to be a part of DL 2G 2H and 2I, as photos with other kits seems to not have it, but its hard to check that, but i cant deny it appeared in other DL2 versions.
Thicness is around suspension flange thicness.
Material unknown

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Sorry I’ve missed the convo what’s this about

Some armour you can see on the side



you cant see it on this photo

It appears some armour is there

well well, thats gone completely under my radar thus far, good spot

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So did for me, it might be the reason for the 50mm side that we failed to prove
38 base + 12 plate added on it
Unless that comes from that one tape photo, then ignore this post

I think its 2G and up (As 2G was 2H, but with VARMA in place ASPOR that was not here yet)
So DL2G DL2H and DL2I
I do not see anything on tanks with 2F, hard to find a photo that has enough light to see there

time for somebody to take the tape meassurer out and meassure the suspension

well well who would have thought the increase in weight wasnt actually tea