Tanks still total dog poo. How many more updates and fixes are gaijin going to ignore???
Other way around. Challenger 1 and 2 uses TOGS, which uses the TICM. The thermal sector array used in TICM is SPRITE, which is a first generation array, so Challenger 2 should have first gen thermals.
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Bug reports are in for Challenger 1 and TIALD to be Gen 2. Submitted by a tech mod. So not sure what else there is to say. SPRITE is far closer to Gen 2 than it is to Gen 1. But CR2 to 11.0 doesnt sound half bad though.
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Tech mods aren’t always correct
SPRITE produced significantly better image quality than other gen 1 thermal sensors, and was often considered on par with most early gen 2 imagers.
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Gaijin determines thermal generation based on the technology used, which in the case of TICM/SPRITE is a single row of eight detectors, each detector being roughly equivalent to 8-12 regular IR detectors. The most reliable source I have found quotes the eight detectors being equivalent to about 100 regular detectors. This puts it on par with US Common Module HgCdTe used in the M1 Abrams which has 120 detectors.
There is a clear distinction that can be drawn between first and section generation thermal imagers, as second-generation always have multiple rows of detectors usually on top of an increase in the number of detectors per row. For example, CONDOR 2 on the EC Tiger uses 4 rows of detectors with 288 detectors per row.
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Worth noting though that TIALD also uses TICM 2, which is second generation. TICM 2 was never used in TOGS though.
And yet SPRITE was apparently far superior to the M1’s imager.
An here’s a source stating that SPRITE detectors had superior image quality to early gen 2 imagers.
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Also of note is that the Harrier avionics manual states that the old SPRITE detector can produce better image quality than the new (2nd Generation) thermal imager fitted in the TIALD pod.
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It seems clear to me that making SPRITE equal to every other gen 1 thermal imager in game would not be correct, because it was clearly notably superior in real life.
Got a source for that? I’ve seen lots of things over the years saying TOGS used a TCIM-II detector.
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Um, no.
Challenger 2 has an exhaust about 6 inches long with no silencers, it’s literally designed to be loud. In fact it’s so loud that you can hear it coming from two hills away, but because the sound is projected sideways at massive volume you can’t tell which hill.
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SPRITE detectors are all TICM 2. Your previous statemented that TOGS is a SPRITE detector would contradict your assertion that TOGS is not using TICM-II
UK Common Module categorisation is as follows:
TICM (1)s are low-res photoconductive staring arrays for handheld devices such as Pilkington’s “LITE” series of imagers
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Yeah, idk what I’m thinking, I mean the late variants of the TIALD (TIALD-500) use a second-generation thermal imager. Both TICM and TICM 2 are still first generation.
This seems to be more the opinion of whoever was writing the report, and it’s hard to take this as solid evidence because it wasn’t a side-by-side comparison. Performance of a TI varies greatly based on environmental factors.
Even if it was superior, which I don’t think the evidence presented conclusively states, TICM would not be comparable to a true second-generation TI like CONDOR which can pick out human size targets from 13 km away. In that respect TICM is far closer to first generation TI.
Yeah I corrected that, for some reason I thought that TICM was used in TOGS and TICM II was the successor used in TIALD, but late versions of TIALD are using a different detector array.
TICM 2 is still first gen though.
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Maybe you can try reading the rest of the post next time
Maybe you can try actually doing what you are saying next time
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Okay?
Some TICM-II footage and a snippet of TICM-I footage from 1984
Includes a bonus Chieftain 900 cameo
TICM-II was a good thermal imager (though TOGS maybe not the best gunnery system to use it). It was treated with some irony that the Army’s tanks had better night observation capabilities than the recce vehicles like Scimitar that were scouting for them using HIRE-based imagers.
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some good eye candy right here
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