Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 2)

if he was trying to convince me he wasnt trying very hard.

He just pointed out some stats, which arent wrong, and some other bits n bobs as observations.

We are all aware of some mains of some nations being a pain, dotSHINI isnt that.

For example, 2A7 armour is statistically under performing due to when the vehicle and armour package it uses went into service.

Leo2a4M can is literally modelled completely wrong as per the bug reports.

Abrams we all know its issues.

merkavas,

leclercs etc all have worse issues sure.

but all the nations we play suffer to the negligence of devs now, Hell even russian vehicles are getting hit with C & P garbage that isnt even modelled right, the T80UE1 had bug reports on it when it first rolled out too. I try not keep up too much with bug reports or issues with the big 3 nations as they are substantially more well rounded than the other trees.

it doesnt have to be german main VS british main, or US main VS china main etc etc for who has it worse.

We should collectively look at all the vehicles and realise that they arent even bothering half the time, check the bug reports from that last update alone. then compare it with the previous update and see how many they actually fixed. not slight audio bugs i mean genuine issues.

Like i said, thats realy mostly cause of implementation age. Russia/US/germany are the oldest nation and tjose have the most vehicles simple as that.

There is not sth special behind it

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Not entirely true, i dont just mean the quantity of vehicles I mean the actual capability of said vehicles with one another as well, the actual effectiveness of the lineups is pretty dang potent. where one nation may have a couple good ones germany consistently has decent or good ones all the way through, bar maybe right at 2.0 ish area ( i kinda dont like that area so i wont say that as a certaintity)

yes there is, german tank design and production.
They made some extremely effective tanks! years ahead of the competition
however there isnt some form of bias or nonsense from gaijin

I’m not directly aware of what video reference was used for this bug report so if some one knows please say. But surely this may reopen avenues of bug reporting. Remembering back to the old forum, the turret transverse speed, hull traverse speed and ready rack size/sustained fire rate were also aspects that were bug reported with video evidence.

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Ah yes suddenly they use videos again…
Bet its only for selected bug reports but

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Aircraft videos have been accepted recently it’s how Russia managed to get the Su-27 fm buffed.
Tanks are harder as they are inside the tank or focussing primarily on the tank and the images can be sped up.

However i’m sure it was also a video that buffed the M1 reload rate

Videos for jets would be easier to modify and alter to suit a purpose such as increasing or decreasing turn time.

I tried using one for harrier and it gotnflat out refused a while ago.
Unfortunately if its not the latest addition and withing a few months gaijin tend to do nothing.

I hear ya bud

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You can see the report here, they linked to a video and I think you can get the files from the google drive folder too

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Wow that’s surprising. This actually annoys me considering MatrixRupture‘s harrier report is more detailed than this with official test reports, yet was denied due to “impossible wing efficiency” and “our calculations disagree”.

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I mean Fear Naught’s original videos had him talking, ambient noise and people walking in the background. Yet back then they still refused it. I wonder if anyone kept them, would be funny to see them accept the same evidence that was originally refused.

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Standard isn’t it.

Like irrefutable proof and they say its impossible.

Tanks still total dog poo. How many more updates and fixes are gaijin going to ignore???

Other way around. Challenger 1 and 2 uses TOGS, which uses the TICM. The thermal sector array used in TICM is SPRITE, which is a first generation array, so Challenger 2 should have first gen thermals.

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Bug reports are in for Challenger 1 and TIALD to be Gen 2. Submitted by a tech mod. So not sure what else there is to say. SPRITE is far closer to Gen 2 than it is to Gen 1. But CR2 to 11.0 doesnt sound half bad though.

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Tech mods aren’t always correct

SPRITE produced significantly better image quality than other gen 1 thermal sensors, and was often considered on par with most early gen 2 imagers.

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Gaijin determines thermal generation based on the technology used, which in the case of TICM/SPRITE is a single row of eight detectors, each detector being roughly equivalent to 8-12 regular IR detectors. The most reliable source I have found quotes the eight detectors being equivalent to about 100 regular detectors. This puts it on par with US Common Module HgCdTe used in the M1 Abrams which has 120 detectors.

There is a clear distinction that can be drawn between first and section generation thermal imagers, as second-generation always have multiple rows of detectors usually on top of an increase in the number of detectors per row. For example, CONDOR 2 on the EC Tiger uses 4 rows of detectors with 288 detectors per row.

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