and thats not true either and completly wrong thats your own bias and parital hate for the situation of the challengers speaking. But the challys are better.
The chinese mbts have a constant reload of 7.1s and has a penetration of 577mm. Furthermore they suffer of the russian space programm syndrom and are very easily ammo racked.
You should stay factual, wild claims of your doesnt make them true
as above no they wouldnt be, at 11.0 they would dominate everything. there is a reason why UK does have a good 10.7 line up already
thats the problem with additions that are completly new, KF41 suffers under the same thing.
Gajin did expect it to be better, butter further research after they implemented it resultet in it not turning out as well as they expected because they overestimated it, like the spalliners
the cr2s are not the only ones with that problem and are not the worst tank out of the bunch, ariete, merkavas, chinese tanks all suffer under it as well. They are minority tanks which just dont have much information released about them making it hard to prove stuff and balance it.
you are aware leo 2a7vs are 12.0 ? you are asking for their brs to be decreased right now and if you actualy would read wait i said earlier you would read that i did say that a 0.3 br increase above the other tanks would be reasonable.
That being said it wouldnt realy matter since 1 the br steps below would still get sucked into their matches or 2 the players take top tier aircraft into their line ups and meet Leopards either way because of that since top tier aircraft come with 12.7
and to answer your question
stupid claims do in fact get answers. I am not the one who took the leopards into this conversation. I dont go regulary into other nations thread to complain about them or similar etc.
Thats luques job.
I justt responded to his ridiculous claims.
And why i check this thread is because the progress about challengers does in fact intrest me, but typicaly i dont say sth about it because development and technical data isnt my field of expertise.
But since the chally 3 is being modified and uses the german cannon i do check out both chally threads too, in fact share information about the chally 3 project as well like that DM83 is in its certification phase now and soon should be the official new ammo round for UK and Germany
its copy paste, they have the same values, even when the 2A6NL strictly speaken should get worse armor
btw, that isnt quite right either, chally 130 while being a german project should be added to the UK as well in my opinion. Chally 3 is getting closer and closer to being finished as well. How it performs to its counterpart 2a8 would be another matter
Problem we have is CR3 looks like CR2. We have no way to challenge Gaijins interpretation of the vehicle.
CR3 TD should have been held off and CR3 final if its hampered with the lower HP engine and we don’t have a rework with the “regen steering” we will end up with a CR2 with more armour? and better firepower. The 2A8 and T-90M Obr 23 will wipe the floor with it.
addition of one doesnt stop the addition of the other
engine stuff is yet realy to be seen as well, there still is no real official statement about it. If there is none in the future would get the same old one propably yeah. Germany is in the same situation was rumoured for a new engine to compensate the for the throphy, but nothing official yet.
i mean that is in fact already a big change and does a lot. Specialy if gajin at that point finaly ends up adding DM63/73 as well at least and we get insensitive rounds
True but it was not well implemented no change to the CR2 armour
Maybe lets wait and see, yes an APS system is a key requirement (trophy I think is the only real option)
That would help, but then Russia/China currently do not have insensitive rounds IRL.
The CR3 will more than likely be a CR3TD with blow out panels and if GJ is feeling particularly generous 10% more armour… because we won’t know armour values so it’s at their discretion.
CR3 will still have mantlet issues, shoot the left side and kill two crew, shoot the right side kill the gunner and rack the tank. And the giant drivers hatch and LFP will be the same too.
Trophy will be nice but will not stop darts like the iron fist. Plus we will more than likely be stuck with one set of charges as we are now.
No, but, I think everyone would have prefered the (at the time) 5 existing CR2s to have gotten the dev time put into adding the CR3. Especially given as it was an overall downgrade over the CR2s, especially when it started getting nerfed.
Given all the problems the CR2s have, and the fact the CR3 doesnt address any of them, and instead just adds a whole new set of issues. It was a really wierd choice to add it.
Cr2 has worse overall armour coverage due to the turret height, breach weak point and literally suffering the same problem when the hull.is penned due to ammo layout.
Challanger 2 is far less mobile bar in reverse of which the mbt2000 completely mitigates, the cr2 turns worse, accelerates worse and is far louder as a caveat.
The chinese mbts have a consistent reliable reload (which is proven to be longer than should be, regardless) while cr2 gets a whole 4 rounds before it reloads slower than the chinese mbts.
Even with an ace crew its what 7.0 seconds a round?
As with expert and maxed crews it sits at 7.4 or 7.6 cant remember off of the top of my head.
They wouldn’t dominate everything, but again, decompression is the answer over this as i stated.
Completely new? It literally is a half done mess, it uses the old turret model when they inteoduced the new one the very same update.
It has a worse engine than supposed to, armour is wrong, and due to the severe lack of armour, mobility and sustained fire rate it is not even worth being 12.0 hell the m1a2 is factually better in every regard other than sheer penetratation values.
Ariete -
More mobile
5 second reload
Substantially better round.
Armour is useless.
Merkava-
More mobile
5 second reload
Better round by some margin.
Armour is equally as bad as cr2.
Chinese mbts -
Far more mobile
More effective armour
Rounds are about equal
7.1 second reload so ill say its worse due to ready rack.
You could of used your brain and realised that was an innocent typo.
You cant slag a person off for doing something then do the exact same thing, regardless fair enough.
Generally would like to see that stuff added once we run out of ideas for tanks.
There’s a plethora of fixes and issues also needing worked through before we fire in tanks with next to no declassified data on that gaijin can do as they like with
As cool as it is. I mean people still on tank forums cant decide if its a rheimental or bea turret.
As of right now its being touted as the most dangerous mbt that can be on the battlefield.
But all the reasons are irrelevant to wt, due it being the fcs and a lot of digital malarkey so to speak.
And closer to being finished? We only got the two prototypes about a month ago and if the rigerous amount of cr2 testing is going to be done itll take a year if not longer (they dont need ti do all the mobility and reliability tests at least)
yeah, I was hoping DM53 would be worth it, but the fire rate nerf and a loss of survivability they simply arent good enough. I have the odd fun/decent game in it, but the BN is by far the sueprior tank still imo
I really need to work down that line and get thsoe Vickers tanks unlocked. But I just cant be bothered these days with Ground, between the compression, outstanding issues and terrible map design. I’ve given up. Naval feels like a far better gamemode and have had far more fun spading the sieve that is Rodney more than I have even trying to play something like the Chally DS to grind out vehicles in .
See I cant get into Naval tried and was just murdered by things I couldn’t pen. I need to though 1 day we will have modern ships maybe with aircraft and carriers
Depends man ive nearly whacked out the ztz 99.III and the ztz99A ltc or whatever it id bellow the vt4A, in about 100 hours of gameplay, that and tbe 140k.on thr 99II is over 600k rp.
But yeah rhe rewards are brutal and you need to sweat your balls off to get anywhere.
The DS and cr 1 mk3 with the vickers mk7 is a bloody fantastic combination, along with the jaguar gr1a.
Legacy Challenger Mk.2 with G-LYNX and Jaguar GR.1A, Fox also. I rest my case. Only thing its missing is Stormer HVM with Martlet and some sort of capable fighter such as perhaps the Cheetah D.
Legacy Challenger was the peak of British tank design and you will not change my mind.