They are still one of the most highly armoured tanks in the world and its been proven time n time again. Its turret roof is highly armoured, why would they make it out of aluminium it makes 0 sense it would get demolished by an RPG which the tank itself sustained over 70 direct hits with.
yet here we are, how many years later still discussing it. The fact 8.7 darts can cut clean through the challanger two (never mind autocannon darts on the likes of the swedish tanks) is a shambolic joke at best.
it literally has the exact same hull in game , the only difference is it says the hull armour is 130mm on CR2 and CR1 is 80mm, the layout and protection from the composites are the exact same.
which is strange considering the challanger 2 shares . what 3 percent of components
what a joke
yeah looks at the canadians having to play across 3 trees (germany , USA and britain just to use their own stuff)
looks at the british made hawker hunter F58 in germany.
Australian abrams in the US
Yet random Russian T90 and MIG21 (now a hind as well) in britian.
There is a plethora of british indigenious vehicles that could fill the tree. they just refuse to add them/ model them god knows why at this point. for example there is a rake of chieftains, centurions, The CRV family, saladins etc all missing from teh game
yet theyll copy and past in another leopard or another T90 etc.
Yes i know, let me edit what i said, as i didnt realise it looks like im saying theyre the same IRL, I mean in game they are the same which IRL it is not
they literally are ? it has the same composite protections and exact same layout?
Challanger mk1 2 and the challanger 2 mk1 the only difference is the turret.
Yeah in game CR1 has like 320mm KE protection and Challenger 2 has 500mm KE protection. What I was saying was that CR1mk2 should have the 500mm as it was said in a source that the CR1mk2 was upgraded over the mk1 to counter T72s and bring the protection up to the standard of the turret which was also 500mm minimum.
People disputed whether this upgrade actually happened with detractors saying the 500mm upgrade was passed on to the CR2 program but the CR1 did gain 2.5 tonnes between the mk1 and mk2. Only the visual models in war thunder are the same, the values are different @An_Pigeon
the values are differnet where. the damn model shows it as having the exact same defense the values they show us are the exact same for teh composites xD
as i said the challanger 2 stat card says 130mm of armour of the front of the hull, the CR1 says 80MM.
The tank museum talks about this, even revisited it in a tank chat that the T72 could not penetrate the CR1 frontally in desert storm. so the mk2 must have had the upgraded?
Challenger Mk.2 was a name for a potential CR1 upgrade offered by Vickers, I don’t recall if it was later renamed to CR2 or if that was a slightly more intensive upgrade, I’d have to double check the book. But the re-use of names definitely doesn’t help.
WHY do they not just include this within the damn game and show us it as is. Not having visual stuff like the Xray be wrong. Though technically im not wrong saying they ahve the exact same Composite layout in game.
but thank you for the extra information. I wont remove my other comments so others can see it all and find the information youve shown as well. Appreciate that
yeah you’re right about layout, when it comes to composites the effectiveness can be changed to whatever is needed to meet the intended values. the ~320mm NERA on the LFP has a pretty poor modifier (you can find them in the datamine but its a bit of a pain)
edit: the most recent sheet I saw, it will be outdated in terms of vehicles and maybe some intended values have changed, but it’s the best i have at the moment Защищённость ОБТ - Google Drive
we shouldnt have to go through all this hassle though just to get the basic information on the armour of the stuff we are using tbh
Yeah I think ill need to go re look at the data mine stuff
edit: do you know what is sad. go test out the very first APFSDS in the game on the CR2 man, it can be penned and killed frontally by stuff from teh damn 50s xD
Yeah it’s completely BS to keep us down. Totally intentional on their part, the game isn’t historical so it’s a total laugh they want us to find information to buff tanks which are classified.
100 percent agreed. even when they do have the sources and evidence
The Cheiftains are missing half their kit and The L15A5 round for example.
even look at air.
The javaline renowned for breaking the sound barrier in london, cant go over 0.92 mach.
Tornado F3 model wasnt right for years ( not sure if they fixed it)
FGR2 and FG1 missing hteir historical loadouts.
Hunter F6 being massively over BRd.
The Tornado GR4 having its brimstones nerfed before it even released.
etc etc etc.
the challanger 2s are some of my favourite modern MBTs, yet in game they genuinely make me hate the game.
Yeah same, I was so hyped for Challenger 1 in 2018, but it’s been down hill for the British tree ever since. I remember we used to have things pretty good, the chieftains relative for the time were really good in game, HESH actually worked as well as it should which I guess they didn’t like.
Gonna have to see how they massacre the Typhoon next if the December leaks are true, good thing is if they offend us with botching that they also offend the Germans and they won’t be happy XD.
TBH the cheiftains rn are in a pretty fun place to use, the Khalid n MK10 no longer see abrams and leo2s and what not. ANd the mk5 and 3 are still pretty strong at 8.7
