You’re presumably thinking of this document:
Those are upgrades to Challenger 1 proposed in the early 1980s. They were not actually built, and are also largely unrelated to the eventual Challenger 2 design which emerged in the late 1980s.
Where do you find all this stuff man!
Also yeah i was about to say wasn’t he mentioning the proposed upgrades to CR1 before they decided on making CR2?
also bit off topic, but do you have any idea how I can find a way to access documents related to munitions from the L11 cannon from teh 60s/ 70s?
So challenger 1s hull armor in war thunder is accurate then at around 275mm? See I read that document as in Challenger mk1 currently had 275mm of glacis armor and then they sloted another armor matrix in for challenger 1 mk2. How do we know none of these upgrades made it to the tank? Things like the TOGS were added for the mk2 so why not the armor increase considering it had to fight T72s?
Because we have later documents from the 90s saying that the hull has 350 mm KE protection (likely with the add-on armour from Op Granby). So we know it wasn’t increased to equal the turret armour.
Also that document seems unreliable as a whole. The 500 mm KE figure for the turret is quite dubious. Later documents always put the turret at 435 mm KE (at +/-20°) or 480 mm KE (likely head on).
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I guess it also comes down to what ammunition it was tested against. Fair enough, I didn’t realise it was such a mixed bag of evidence. 480mm KE head on would be slightly better than it’s current war thunder turret.
I didn’t know challenger 1 vs T72 was such a close fight.
Armour is only one part of the dynamic though.
A CR1 would likely be able to spot, target and put a round towards said T-72 before the latter would be able to in return. You don’t land the world’s longest-range tank kill (3.2 miles or 5600 yards) using crumby Soviet optics and an equally dodgy FCS computer.
Working on the premise that it’s always best to mallet your opponent from as far away as possible; that’s pretty much been the design philosophy of every Brit tank since Conqueror. When used in that way; the armour would likely be more than sufficient even if we go for the base CR1 stats on the hull and lower-end of the turret figures.
It would ALSO explain why CR2 really does not work on the kinds of maps we have in War Thunder - even the ‘big maps’ are quite constrained in terms of sight lines and engagement ranges.
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All hail HESH!
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i would also put the dozer blade in there somewhere as the challenger is the only tank at top tier than would actually benefit from it
Recently a new smoothbare hesh was shown of.
So you might be able to keep it in the future
Sorry that was the only varaiant available in the museum at the time of my visit on friday erm here’s a centurion though.
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Love a centurion man tbh as well, yeah I know and don’t get me wrong stillbrew chieftains awesome AF , but I like that older sleek desing, thanks for sharing the chieftain and cent BTW: D
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ill be able to get some photos of a CR2 prototype this weekend if they’ll be helpful for anyone. dummy gun, single pin tracks, and plates over the rear and engine deck as it was also used to trial Omani adaptations.
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Has anyone made a bug report on this yet? I don’t remember seeing one
if you guys look at the bug report made about the fox, where the turret traverse was nerfed because some tovarish didnt believe, i find youl know everything you need about bug reports in this game.
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There’s no point in talking about it… the moderator, after appearing and being confronted with statements he couldn’t respond to because he was clearly wrong, ran away and stopped responding. They have everything they need to balance Great Britain. They just don’t want to. It’s getting really frustrating to be the only one playing English tanks for 10-12 games in a row. You could even bring the challenger to their house and they’d tell you they don’t know if you’d rigged it. The only thing they hear is a good boycott like the one a few years ago…
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Incompetence, lies, greed happens in all MIC heavy countries. How else do you think money flows through those types of systems? I wouldn’t assume everything is 100% true, or maximum efficiency with 0 faults regardless of nation. At the end of the day they are here to much on tax dollars. You have to keep that in mind. It isn’t WW2 where we have massive company diversity. Everything nowadays was a general is more monopolistic.
The Merkava turret is objectively weaker at oblique angles, and side off shots. Thing is the core of the body of the turret is smaller than the massive structure making more of it inert. And most people hit the inert areas. Also because not many people play it the one shot spots aren’t as clear as they are on the Chally 2. But generally the Chally 2 unfortunately has the stronger turret. Even if they pen your side turret armor on it they will likely hit inert ammo. Unless you’re turned substantially away. Whereas in the Merkava you blow up.
Dutch have just agreed to buy 2A8s so that’s the end of Leclerc. Something something Russia cannot be seen to be weak. And we are all suffering because of it.
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They don’t believe CHARM 3 can penetrate the T-80 because they don’t believe CHARM 3 can penetrate the T80… aint that phenomenal.
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The Kh38 didnt have MITL on the dev…