If we’re talking about a gunmask and UFP, such a tank will automatically be associated with top-tier Leos in the eyes of the developers.
Accordingly, it won’t be possible to speed up its reload without accelerating the cooldown of the Leos.
I highly doubt that it will meet the requirements of the top tier in this scenario.
If the Challenger 3 has its proper mantlet armour then shell explosions in the turret shouldn’t be an issue most of the time. The issue is currently the 3TD has the mantlet modelled as just 30mm, which is a complete joke.
BN can also be upgraded in terms of mechanics for long-range combat by giving it a PASEO scan mode that automatically detects and marks targets in a 360-degree sector (or any other sector of the player’s choice).
I believe the Challenger 3 also has this, if they ever add it I can make a report for it
IF we wanted to go that we, there are things such as Auto tracking, tws or geolocation that it can do.
I believe gaijin has some issues with adding ground-ground FCS beyond the ultra-specialised radar based system on the khrizantema-S.
It’s just something else that Russia is miles behind in. T-90M as Russias most modern tank lacks half the features of NATO alternatives.
Like aviation and Sensor fusion…Russia just do not understand it and do not see the importance of it.
Imagine my shock when the Challenger 2 Gear ratios are quite badly wrong
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/d1OZ86M9Mkau
i did some testing with the values it
High speed acceleration (25mph-37mph) AKA the whole range of the gear 8 (IRL gear 6) is slower, but low-mid is close to the same (on flat ground)
Overall Acceleration is roughly equal within 1 second of each other
Hill performance is noticeably improved and so is pivot steering (it feels lumpy but feels faster, especially when not on flat ground))
if implemented This change also increases the reverse speed by almost exactly 1kph
Testing was done with the 1314ps engine that we will see next update
So essentially slightly worse mid-high end acceleration, but with improved low speed and pivot performance?
Worse top end acceleration (only gear 8 really others are fine) - you can see that because the difference between gear 7 and 8 is about double that on the Real gears vs the current in game gears, making the lower torque of the top gear applied for longer
acceleration at low speed is about equal
Pivot is slightly better,
hill performance is much better, especially noticeable on TES
The low end acceleration is definitely limited by the Auto-Driver, with how compact the 4 gears are there (2 gears IRL but duped to 4 due to Torque converter)
I just wish the Torque Converter was active in all gears because how they’re implemented in game they drastically improve acceleration, especially that top end acceleration
with how the game plays in general it should be a small buff, but it doesn’t feel night/day different
Its hard to say if it is truly a buff or nerf, think it should be an overall buff, that matter would likely go to personal opinion
I have created a user mission to test for yourself
Thanks for making the user mission, i just gave it a test
Overall it feels pretty similar but certainly smoother. On the current one at around 40-45kph it kind of gets stuck on one of the gears, but in the accurate version it dosent do this. Low speed acceleration feels either the same or slightly better, with 50+ kph acceleration being a little bit worse but nothing significant.
Seems like a good change, hopefully it passes :)
That is total nonsense man, the BN is actually pretty decent at top tier. The L27A1 isn’t good but you should be aiming anyways.
2A4 does not have better armour than CR2 mate.
CR2 with an expert crew past the ready rack is about 6.7 or 6.3 seconds so on par with leopard 2A4 in that regard.
HE, HEAt and even long range shots it’ll save from.
He’s got a right bad habbit of spewing nonsense to make it seem as if British stuff is extremely hard done by.
Source for that mate? the 2A4 hull is paper in comparison, CR2 hull can on its UFP stop BM42, and even 46.
2A4 can’t, at all.
I can penetrate the damn strv 122 with a 3.7 it’s irrelevant that.
The issue is the ready rack / ammo placement. Yes its armour is incorrect, however you’re making it out as if the CR2 armour is non existent which is just false.
Yes it should, I’ve used almost every trees top tier tanks mate. It’s not that bad, it’s extremely middling.
most MBTs at top tier are behind the 2a7 n 122, they are all extremely closely balanced to each other.
Not now, the Oplot has that title man.
VT4A1 one does. the VT4 standard is 12.3 while the A1 is 12.7 while being the exact same bar the APS which is worse than BN.
VT4 as well
Britains best tank was the Vickers Mk7 and that is due to it’s mobility and it uses the Leopard 2 hull which is superior to the CR1 and CR2 hull. Leopard 2 hulls can take more shots than the CR2 ones.
You might even bounce a round. The whole of the CR2 front hull is a weak spot excluding that tiny strip. Where the plates meet.
Yes I stand by that Britains top tier tank is closer to a Leopard 2A4 than it is an 2A7. The distance will only grow further when the 2A8, M1A2 SEP V3 and whatever broken Russian nonsense Gaijin choose to add.
Yes all tanks can die to low tier tanks just most tanks don’t have 75% of their armour as a weak spot.
STRV 122B included.
L27A1 is a distinctively average round with it sometimes being great and other times being useless. It is also the slowest and does not have a flat trajectory. I haven’t used the OPLOT but that is hilarious that Gaijin think Ukraine couldn’t make a round as good as Russias!
I was wrong about the APS systems BR I will say this though most are 0.3-0.7 higher the CR2 BN is a full 1.0 above the base CR2.
Reload rate for the Leopard is consistent we have 4 shots at 4 seconds. Leopard 2A5 and above are also using the best round in the game. L27 is not DM-53
CR2 is just a pretty average tank, yes the BHP will be a good change but it will still be one of the worst top tier tanks.
Coming 6th out of 10 is not good.
That is just catagorically false, the leopard 2 hull may be more mobile, and in the case of the MK7 it actually is more mobile than Leopard 2. The 2A4 hull is severely lacking in any and all protection.
CR1 I generally survive more than in my Leopard 2
No they can’t
The armour cheeks as well stop rounds mate.
No it is not, it’s somewhere between 2A5 and 2A6.
The BN and the 2E are not that bad eh.
Got a stat to show that “75%” of CR2 is a weak point?
It wasn’t as good as the 3BM60 that is proven IRL with the ballistics of it during trials mate, nothing to do with “Gaijin thinks this”
It doesn’t have a flat Trajectory ? I don’t think any round does.
the L2A1 is still a dart, they’re all fast as hell. the fact youneed to bring up its veloticy as a negative point when it’s still like 1400 isn’t great
It’s low pen, it still is reliable with what 570 odd flat pen.
5 shots, 4 reloads, 5.3 seconds expert crew.
You were wrong, the BR difference isn’t just because of the APS, it’s also got commander thermals and laser warning reciever, which is massive.
Not bad either, it’s a middling tank, like I said. You’re here saying a 10.7 MBT is better than it, which is just not true.
well compared to Ariete, I think Ariete is the worst, it has the paper armor. I agree that CR2 is just mid, that’s it.
I’m saying CR2 armour isn’t as bad as folks make it out to be.
The ariete has no armour at all xd I need ot get them soon as well but I can’t be bothered with it right now.
The CR2 lacks in some areas, penetration is one. However it’s not some toothless tank as is made out by most.
CR2 literally has turret cheeks, that is it can we please stop this notion of armour.
The breach is destroyed if you shoot anywhere near it. Top of the TOGS box that’s your breach out. But shoot a 2A7 slightly at the top or a miss that T-90 breach by a micron and zero effect
Higher mobility will help but it wont change how the CR2 is played and that is purely as support because if you are on your own you are dead to everything.
CR2 needs it’s composite block for the lower glacis, it needs it’s ready rack increased and still then it will be one of the worst tanks at top tier.
All top tier tanks only have “turret cheeks”, every single one has a weak mantlet
Other top tier tanks have hull armour and mantlet armour CR2 does not
And if they miss the mantlet the round will go straight through the angled roof killing the turret crew.
no other tank has that weakness with the M1 bouncing a shot like that and the T series tanks absorbing it or bouncing it.
The ufp is better than most the other mbts bar T series and the leopard 2a7 / swede one.
The actual ufp is pretty solid, the issue is tbe LFP isn’t great.
You’re stating it has worse armour than the 2a4 which is just false as hell mate.
Didn’t happen to me a couple nights ago man
Have you use the T90? The breach isn’t a small thing to hit at all. every single top tier has roughly comparable breach sizes.
Difference is things like abrams have composites within it.
Seriously? You only die to everything if you slam it into an open field and get pelted, if you position right, which you can with any / all top tiers it’s extremely mid.
It can sometimes take whole flanks, especially the likes of BN or 2E which are pretty nicely upgraded over the CR2 standards like the 2F.
It’s literally middle of the pack rn.
Most top tiers are pretty well balanced.
The merkava MK4 for some odd reason just got absolutely buried in nerfs, think it got 2 or 3 nerfs back to back. You’ve got the ariete which is essentially useless and didn’t even warrant 12.7.
The Oplot I stopped working towards because between the glaring holes in its armour and its round, it just isn’t really worth the hassle in getting.
Hence why there are barely any Oplots rolling around at top tier.
CR2 sits comfortably in the middle of the top tier tanks, yes it should get its correct armour all round, not just additional composite block.
However, due to some absolute C***womble it cannot get anywhere near its real numerical data as then Gaijin are liable for many lawsuits etc from the MOD.
It’s speculated to have about half its IRL armour values if we go by the old leaked armour documents. It cannot get them now at all due to said leak.
What MBT has mantlet armour ? it is literally designed into almost every MBT as a weak point
only the 2A7 and 122 have effective hull armour.
All T series tanks have an UFP, so does CR2 and abrams. with massive weak points.
Do not try and tell me the T90 or T80 don’t have huge frontal weak points.
You can fire through the roof of
All of which you can kill the crew from hitting them with a dart in the roof. Only tanks with absolute flat roofs will stop it happening.
See above mentioned list.
Use them I dare you to.
Having used them extensively what I realise is. Too many people shoot the UFP rather than aim
Take the half second if that to aim down or into the breach and you will win the majority of engagements. Its why my M1A2 has a near 2.0 KD and I use it in a 13.0 lineup.
Stop bringing up T series tanks just because you can’t fight em.