The 2A4 has better armour and a better rate of fire?
Yeah man, im not even going to bother arguing with you, idk what planet you are on
You clearly do not understand how any of these things work
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Trophy in game should be able to stop the things IF does however it is modelled poorly right now. It can’t be that much better as all of NATO and Israel operate Trophy on their MBTS
Unlike IF, there are no videos with anty-kinetic tests of the trophy.
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Trophy is not underperforming in that regard, Trophy and Iron fist are totally different systems that have different capabilities. Once again, you’re just making stuff up.
Just because NATO operate trophy more does not suddenly mean its better.
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2A4 has a stronger hull, weaker turret and if you get hit and penetrated you do not automatically die.
My point is CR2 is closer to a 2A4 than it is a 2A7 and the upgrades are not enough when it has armour that an 8.0 tank can penetrate.
I don’t’ know why you think CR2 is armoured? Turret cheeks that is really it. Lower front plate, actual front plate, drivers slot, the whole breach and that stupid miss modelled turret roof slant are all areas a CR2 can be penetrated by anything.
Compare that to the top tier tanks and you realise that a CR2 BN should not be a top tier tank.
And because they chose a system that will meet their needs and have more than 4 shots is an advantage. IF in game is overperforming there is no way it can shoot down a missile with a 500kg payload and not destroy/damage the tank. The maps are generally too small to get any joy from stopping any top tier dart Kursk and maybe Maginot as the exceptions.
It explodes when shells penetrate the turret…
The hull on the 2A4 is around 300mm KE MAX, its not stopping anything apart from autocannons and low pen HEAT at top tier.
The Leo 2A4 also gets one shot pretty often, it has no spall liners to speak and you can literally ammorack it through the turret face with high pen shells.
The entire turret of the Leopard 2A4 is cheese at top tier.
I’m not trying to say the Challenger 2 BN is equal to the 2A7, but even comparing it to a 2A4 is hilarious
I’m done arguing this, this thread is meant to be about the Challenger 2, not brainrotted comparisons for no reason
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So does CR3 and well CR2 you lose the turret crew the tank is dead.
I’m merely pointing out that these buffs are great but the tank should still be nowhere near top tier. It also has the worst dart in game.
Worst dart in the game… yeah man, I think you have a severe skill / understanding issue here
BN is a highly specialized unit for large maps. There is no tank in the game that can stand like this:
5 darts and 1 Kh-38 were intercepted in this battle.
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let’s lower the BR of the tank with a literal force field, it suffers so much /s
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Then why is it top tier? Top tier vehicles should be balanced and CR2 BN is as stated a basic CR2 with an APS system and commander thermals. No other tank in the game has a higher BR due to a protection system or LWS.
I’m fed up of pretending the CR2 is good, I’m fed up of begging for 100hp increases in power. I’m fed up of Gaijins anti UK stance.
Also interesting excerpt from Trophy testing:
During testing, the upgraded Trophy system, mounted on a 30 mm turret, successfully intercepted a jet-powered fixed-wing drone classified between classes 2 and 3. The drone approached in a near-vertical dive. Rafael emphasized that these enhancements were achieved without altering the system’s core hardware. In addition to drone interception, Trophy has been updated based on operational experience, including lessons learned from conflicts in Gaza and northern Israel. These improvements address the system’s performance against short-range threats in urban environments and long-range threats such as ATGMs in open terrain.
Seems Trophy has been updated to bring performance inline with IF.
Wrong, again.
The T72B3 is at 11.7, the T72B3A with APS is at 12.3.
The Merkava Mk.4B is at 12.3, the Merkava Mk.4M with APS is at 12.7
It is VERY common for gaijin to uptier vehicles due to APS.
The APS on the Black Night is the best in the game, by far, being actually able to intercept essentially all threats.
You don’t have to like the Challenger 2, but you’re just making nonsensical statements that will in no way help to fix it
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Incredibly map dependant, and we all know when new tanks are added the 2A8, SEP V3 and T-90M (Obr 23) they will add new rounds that will be even faster and impossible for IF to intercept.
This is my point strip away the APS and CR2 BN is just a base model CR2
The SEP V.3s best shell will likely be M829A3 which is actually quite slow, at around 1500-1600m/s, Iron Fist will be able to intercept it.
The T90M already has its best shell, excluding perhaps 3BM59 which isn’t really much better than 3BM60.
The Leopard 2A8 is the only one that can get significantly faster shells, and I doubt they will come any time soon.
So essentially, not much will change if they do give these tanks new shells.
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As far as I remember, there are no shells faster than those already available in the game at same tanks.
Only 152/140/130 mm operators will surpass this milestone
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Stuff like DM73 and DM83 are a bit faster than the ones currently ingame, but not significantly, they are also in use on the Challenger 3 so will benefit Britain too when added. But yeah, overall, new shells won’t be much faster.
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Based on that then CR2 BN should still not be as high as it currently is. 11.7 for base CR2 yet BN is 12.7 a whole 1 BR point!
Yes it currently is but that will change and that’s the point it is without that a base model CR2, it has no additional armour it does not have an improved shell. Take a base T-90A and compare it to the T-90M massive upgrades from thermals to armour and protection.
I would rather Gaijin fixed the CR3 Td and made that the top British tank rather than throwing up the BN again. We could go to 14.0 and Gaijin would still be trying to justify the Arriete and CR2 as top tier tanks (thankfully some are staying lower where they will do well and likely get a BR increase because they do well)
What kind of fix can make this unit top-tier? This is the earliest example of the Cr.3 concept.
The best thing you can get on this topic is the sample that showed the Trophy APS
(+ APS, + roof-mounted machine gun, + LWR).
Whatever the version of Ch3 is, it will be worse than Ch2 in the hull-down game because of the shells explosion in the turret.
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