I think enough non-classified sources have been found, especially during that massive push last year (or was it even the year before…) that they should have very little guess work left to do.
What they do need to do however, is actually put on some reading glasses and read some bug reports. but unfortunately, im not sure they know how to do that
yeah, however I just don’t think they care anymore. I remember reading somewhere when they said about the challenger 2 getting a massive rework ages ago, that they would give up dev blog updates as they do things to it, yet we never got any… but i might be misremembering it.
We did get a dev blog, where they basically said no, you are wrong and we are nerfing the CR2
The simple solution is to make all Challenger 2’s the OES with HAAIP and move the 2008 TES above the normal DL2E Chally.
All im saying is that, if the T72B3 can get an engine upgrade it barely saw in real life, then chally 2 can get its HAAIP as a modification.
This goes back to my armour drop down suggestion; where having all the challenger 2’s named by their year, and having a drop down menu which lists each armour package the vehicle could have based on their year would be good. give them all HAAIP, then use the drop down menu to select armour packages depending on the year.
shameless plug here- but its still on topic for Chal2 as it would help it.
The very definition of that upgrade is (among other changes) it’s V-92S2F engine. I think you’ll have a difficult time finding any T-72B3M’s without the V-92S2F engine mounted.
the T-72 in the game is a B3, not a B3M. The M models, yes. Not the standard B3. Any B3’s upgraded to M standard would be fitted with them, but in game it is a B3 and that can not be changed.
Mate, you just posted a screenshot of you having your mouse cursor pointed at a modification which turns it into the T-72B3M.
so when it destroys another vehicle in the kill feed, it says B3M then does it?.. No. Its a B3 with a modernisation package, not a full B3M conversion AFAIK.
Either a B3 gets a UBH package which is a stopgap upgrade that not many saw or its converted into a B3M, which the only B3M in the game currently is the one with Area APS.
my point is that, Not many B3’s saw the UBH upgrade. Not many Chally 2’s saw the HAAIP upgrade. But the T72 gets the UBH upgrade, which improves its engine, but Chally 2 doesnt get it HAAIP upgrade despite being in the same boat.
T-72B3 UBH and T-72B3M are two different names for the same upgrade program. ‘‘UBH’’ simply means Improved Combat Characteristics.
If you’re still not convinced, I’d just challenge you to find me a single difference between the two models.
“The T-72B3 UBH is an upgraded version of the T-72B3, featuring improved mobility (due to a more powerful engine) and enhanced protection (with Relikt ERA and slat armor). The T-72B3M, especially the obr. 2022 version, builds upon this with a new thermal sight, improved ERA on the turret and hull, and potentially other minor enhancements. Essentially, the T-72B3M, with the UBH package”
They. Are. Different.
Just pulling a quote of out nowhere without citing it’s source isn’t exactly convincing, especially because I suspect it’s just AI slop.
So tell me, what new thermal sight is mounted?
Oh really? Please tell me more.
Which areas saw new and improved ERA being mounted? What type of ERA was replaced by what other type of ERA?
Oh please don’t be too specific.
At this point, I’m not going to argue with someone who is clearly here to incite conflict. The information is available, and if you want to find it, you can. This is a challenger 2 thread, so I suggest we get back to that, rather than pressing the matter.
The challenger 2’s deserve their HAIIP upgrade as a modification. End of.
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You know Obr 22 is a wartime programme improvement.
Additional armour is likely the K5 on the lower front glacis plate and the front fenders. Maybe the rear. The rubber screens to protect from drones and air dropped munitions. RELIKT side skirts in place of the 4S24 bags that snag and fall off.
The new thermal will be the one that replaced the SOSNA-U. 1PN96MT-02 down to availability problems.
I don’t know what that model has to do with the variants we’re discussing.
I mean yes when compared to other MBTs. I gather experience only from OES and Chally DS as for now and Chally 1 DS (that have the same engine and mass than Chally 2’s without add-ons) is a lot more maneuverable then Chally 2 OES. Actually OES/TES in game are slower than any kind of Merkava from what I saw haha. But sure, engine upgrade would be great imo. It would still be slower than others but it would be definitely better.
It should produce a lot less spalling that its currectly have. It should be penetrated like any other gun mantlet in the game but it should take maybe 1 and breech but definitely not 2-3 crew members, breech and ammo behind the loader. Like you have many other weakspot that you can shoot at, drivers port, lower glacis, roof. Definitely possible to do as any part of this tank armour is pure guesstimation.
Its pretty funny as well that this tank has hull spallliners only on the thickest part of hull armour, nowhere else, like the british would thought about it being penetrated. Weird stuff xdd
I remember that some years ago. Hilarious stuff
One of the issues here is that I dont know if we have any solid evidence that the HAAIP upgrade improves the engine to 1500hp
That and finding any information I would assume, would be yet again, classified. Meaning that there’s no accessible info on it, which means that Gaijin just get to make up rules under the words of “well prove us wrong then.” knowing we cant, same as many many other things. We have given them the best possible information on things in the past, possibly the literal only accessible information on things that arn’t classified, and it is denied due to lack of information, despite that info showing its vastly different or because the source/sources arn’t trusted.
TL;DR if the colour of the sky was classified info, Gaijin would make it red and then challenge us to prove its blue, knowing that we cant stating that whatever sources that arnt classified aren’t trustworthy. (at least thats how i see it, after years of trying to get this chally 2 **** fixed.)
There’s no evidence that HAAIP improves engine power. In fact the information that is known about it suggested it does not.