Please explain HOW on gods green earth that an OFFICIAL and FACTUAL public MINISTRY OF DEFENCE DOCUMENT (multiple documents to be precise) from the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND, who are the DESIGNERS, CREATORS and TESTERS of the CHALLENGER 2 and L27A1 CHARM 3 DU APFSDS round, that STATES the L21A1 CAN front pen a T80 WITH KONTACT-5 ERA is “not sufficient information”
Is Gaijin/war thunder Development saying that the UK MOD is lying?
What factual IRL sources of information does gaijin/war thunder development have that states the current in game L27A1 is factual/accurate?
What factual IRL sources of information does gaijin/war thunder development have that states the current in game T-80 armour is factual/accurate?
What factual IRL sources of information does gaijin/war thunder development have that states the current in game Kontact-5 ERA is factual/accurate?
The MOD document is a 100% fact unless you have another and greater source that states otherwise. An in gams test is not a greater source, it is not 100% accurate or factual, IRL factual, official reports trumps any in game behind closed doors test.
The new Abrams recently got an armour buff on less sufficient information than this, but we have an original factual MOD document and we get told no?
The L27A1 has a greater muzzle velocity because it uses Rowanite 307 and Carbon Black as a propellant unlike the L26A1 and the XL27 prototype. As of 2001, The L27A1 has a 25mm diameter unlike its XL27 Prototype which was 26mm. This has already been documented in previous reports.
One would actually call these source primary sources.
aka first party not second party sources.
ASs he said to me, the shape of L26 is the same as L27A1 so by that fact the L27A1 can’t pen the ERA. devs say it’s not anti ERA due to the shape Yet have accepted reports which show the metalurgy for the 27A1 is wrong as well as the charges used.
That’s how it’s anti- ERA is the fact it’s far denser and larger.
I literally linked the bug reprot to smin and he stopped responding to me.
The test now just shows either one of two things, that the T80U armour is massively overperforming or the L27A1 is under performing.
it’s also got a far denser dart as far as I’ve encountered, as it’s tempered more.
The alternative approach is that by @Fireball_2020 - who appears to be onto some ‘discrepancies’ in Soviet armour protection as portrayed in game.
In other words - it may NOT be that L27 is not strong enough. It might well be that T-80U is artificially buffed over and above what it really is. Hence why the moment any whiff of this is passed to the devs/dev at the other end they’re doing the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and saying ‘la la la - cannot hear you!’
I know - I’m horrified - as IF Gaijin would ever do such a thing!
“Going forward, Gaijin should (even though the effort needed to do so would be huge) create an archive/database/library to show and back up their own claims for higher end vehicle performance/characteristics. Right now, we have the situation of developers demanding very specific information to justify changes from its player base, bordering on commiting accidental espionage… all while they make changes to vehicles without ANY justification to its players other than “we made it up/we believe/sekrit document” etc etc”
The current situation is just daft to say the least, this and the Abrams hull armour are two perfect examples
Its a great idea, but you forget what Gaijin is. War thunder is the flagship product and War thunder operates on being cheap while having massive profit margins.
We don’t have new maps or game modes because these take time and have a cost that will not entice new players. Simply put making the game better does not make the game more profitable, So why do it?
The sad truth is War thunder is not for the older players who remember tank “beta” it is for the new players who will play an hour a day spend 90 bucks on the next premium or a weeb tank. Who will learn how the game is played from the most toxic of content creators who will rush the spawn and leave the game after one death.
That is War thunder and as long as Gaijin can keep those kind of players invested or coming back for the fomo train it will never change.
I think it’s also a flagship of Russian military patriotism that they have to be better or 1 step ahead than America/UK. Looks quite political when you look at it all.
It’s being used as a vehicle for soft power projection, and these new players will believe what Gaijin say with many of them opting for a T-90M over an M1 or a CR2.
Look at most Hollywood movies where the US are involved… you’d be forgiven for thinking that the US of A has won everything, up to and including wars fought before it even existed.
We famously (or infamously) have some very special 'Muricans on this forum who will argue until they are blue in the face that the Typhoon cannot possibly supercruise - mainly by virtue of the fact that it isn’t American - or wasn’t made in America - so it cannot possibly be better in any way.
Then there’s the French / Rafale crowd who are…erm… dedicated
A British War Thunder would probably display similar levels of favouritism if it was made by us lot, let’s be honest. Up to and including having the Hawker Hurricane being faster than the Bf 109 - just to annoy people. Or making Russian tanks launch their turrets into the air if they so much as brush a moderately large tree.
Yh there’s a bit of a difference between a movie you watch and a game you play and help develop by providing official factual evidence (that gets denied unless your Russian)
I really dont think there is much that can be done
Whenever anything like this is brought up, there is a group of forum users that come out of the woodwork to defend Gaijin (I’m sure we all know who I’m talking about) and are in complete denial of the favouritism and outright lies
And all you have to do is look at the KH-38MT thread, I read the vast majority of the thread and it was like the immovable object vs unstoppable force, the ‘Russian Bias in 2026’ thread is another example, or the BMPT thread…
Alas this is true. As entertaining as it is to poke holes in the RASHA STRONK logik - no amount of logic will get through to those, or indeed the devs who have very much got their minds made up.
Doesn’t stop us pointing and laughing at them though…
Already have. Haven’t played properly for months, haven’t played non-stop for like a year. I hop on and play 5 quick air games (cause I die in like 2mins) just so I can type here Everytime there’s an interesting convo
