Hey. This has already been answered. The T-80U with Kontact-5 arrived after the reports. So it currently doesnt seem possible it was tested during these reports. They also dont mention Kontact-5 specifically.
Please keep the insults out of this. Its not going to lead to anyone taking a post seriously.
Not only was the report passed it was reveiwed in full by the devs. The answer still stands.
Im going to give this a final warning. Please stop trying to instigate personal whitch hunts with false information.
No it was not. The report was passed to the developers. This was the response FROM the developers. Not a Tech Mod, QA, Alpha Tester or anyone else. Directly from the devs.
The personal attacks, insults and attempts to instigate whitch hunts on spesific individuals simply because you are frustrated with the outcome is not acceptable.
Because they dont know what the Russians called their new anti-kinetic ERA?? Even having a T-80U (which again they had) wouldn’t magically make them know the russian internal designation for their own ERA.
They mention T-80U with KE sensitive ERA specifically.
As the one that passed the DM53 report.
What is your own opinion on the viability of it?
Of course i understand that all your opinions in the matter csn differentiate on the results of the developers and how it will be handled.
Only intrested in your estimates out of experience.
The T-80U with Kontact-5 was not in possession for testing during these reports.
Do you have a date on when the T-80U was procured? I’m reading 1992 myself. Sounds more to me that you’re drawing assumptions on information you don’t have.
My personal opinion is irrelevant. I do not decide the outcome of reports.
According to the developers the document that authorized the export of the T-80U was from December 1992. Months after the 1992 report was already made.
Great. Can they show us that document? Because if the export was authorised December 1992 it most certainly would not have arrived in 1992 as UK sources state. Particularly because it was ordered under a shell company which makes transport more challenging, but also because the timeline from authorisation to the vehicle being sent is never that short.
Sounds to me like a complete lie.
Then the full source should be included. Both front covers in the report were from 1991 and 1992.
Fine.
I have a week off next week.
I will attempt a trip down to Kew in order to scan any required documents.
All I need are their document numbers (and to get my wife to agree, she has other plans for my week off)
I’ve done it before for another video game and got real changes to happen because of it, so I have no issue doing it again.
godspeed brother
Very well - please accept my apologies. I have edited the post(s) to remove the less-than-charitable words.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C17141509
It’s from this I’ve provided the full loose minute.
Same snip from our copy @Flame2512
Regardless of CHARM 3. Its prototype XL27 was only 20mm maximum off the 700mm penetration requirement. Meaning if we use the CHARM 3 prototype it still far greater than what we have in game. We know that its prototype is 5.2kg, 605mm long, and 26mm in diameter with a muzzle velocity of 1585m/s with a penetration value at minimum of 678mm. For this prototype to reach its 700mm requirement, it was given a lighter rod, but using a stronger material and better propellant Rowanite 307 which would bring the muzzle velocity upto 1600/ms. We also know as of 2001, the diameter of the rod is 25mm, so was reduced by 1mm since its prototype. “ The material was supplied by BAe Systems (Royal Ordnance Speciality Metals) in the form of 25 mm diameter discs, 0.5 mm in thickness, cut from whole CHARM 3 penetrators.”
So the evidence and application of common sense shows that modern CHARM 3 after its recorded prototype enhancements, would be able to pen the 700mm like the documents say it has achieved.
Additionally, regardless of modern CHARM 3 its prototype, XL27, has a penetration far greater than what we have in game so allow us the prototype penetration atleast.
We shouldnt have to provide 100% exact info for its penetration. We know the in game value is lower than what it should be. The in game value should be changed to its IRL prototype values at minimum.
Why dont the devs provide their source cor their information/claim of 311mm at 2000m at 6o degrees,
Mate, ill buy they entire thing and have it scanned into a PDF. No need to make the trip.
Nice, seems like even i have a higher reading comprehension than the devs.
