Yes, the HAAIP is a separate program from LEP/3, if BN were to continue it would have receive the HAAIP, and no 3 will exist without HAAIP. When it comes to HAAIP output, all I’ll say is we wait for official data.
On another note iirc BN is still complete, so it might get the 9a along the rest of Cr2, but it knight be reverted to a standard Cr2 in the process.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/uKfLG2d5jfoW
I made a bug report for the Chally 2 side hull spall liners.
The evidence is quite limited, but solid. The photos have already been used to report the LFP spall liner but I didnt see a dedicated one for the side spall liners which are also visible in the photos.
These only show the side next to the drivers position, but I couldn’t find any other photos.
Even if gaijin just models those spall liners instead of the full side spall liners it would be an improvement.
If someone has already reported this then my bad, but theres no harm done in having a second report.
On a seperate report (not my one above!), the bug reporting manager says there are internal CR2 spall liner reports.
Hopefully that means the tank will be getting some additional liners eventually.
Perhaps can be added alongside the Challenger 4
Yeah, when humanity gets to the technology level of the improved Dark Star and when humans become peaceful, intelligent creatures
even that is optimistic
I know but I need hope
I grinded entire Germany/Japan/GB tech trees my conclusion
They are slow, they fire worst top tier shell, their armour is bad, ammo placement and stowage is also worst
Random homeless HSTV-L or 2S38 can do drive by and one shot it frontally lol
Only good thing about them is thermals and thats it
At this point I dont believe Devs will fix anything. Just lower their BRs like
Challenger 2E 12.0 or 11.7
Challenger 2 BN 11.7
Challenger 3 TD 11.3 even 11.0
Challenger 2 Family (2F, TES, OES) 11.0
They are not better than Type 90s, M1A1/IPM, ZTZ99/MBT-2000, or even Merkava Mk3s
How many bug reports are there of the Challenger 2s that have been open for years and not fixed? My last count is 97 but there is probably even more by now
11.0 for the Challenger 2 family and Challenger 3? Really?
Saying the Challenger 2 should be 0.3 BR above the Challenger 1 MK.3 while having a better round, way better armour, better thermals, better mobility (slightly), spall liners etc… is just ridiculous
If the Challenger 1 MK.3 is already a very capable 10.7 (which it is), then the Challenger 2’s would be extremely overpowered at 11.0.
Moving them down to some ridiculous BR will not fix their main issues which are mobility and ammo storage, you will still get shot in the side and die just as many times if you do not learn how to actually play the tank.
I’m all for getting the Challenger 2’s getting buffed and BR’s adjusted, but this is just a bit ridiculous and seems like a culmination of the “Challenger 2s are completely useless” mentality that so many people have here, which just isn’t true.
11.0 is too low but that’s the cross over between the CR1 and CR2 they are very similar tanks just one has better thermals and one has a massive weak spot above it’s breach in TOGS.
At their current BRs CR2s are a rough experience and only fans or people bored of stomping everyone with a Leopard 2A7 gravitate to the slower gameplay style as a palate cleanser
The Challenger 2 is a significant upgrade over the Challenger 1. The CR2 may have bigger weak spots, but above around 11.0 the entire Challenger 1 is a weakspot as its armour is only at maximum 500mm effective against KE.
I personally do not find the Challenger 2’s to be “bad”, the 11.7 British lineup is pretty good and the 2E and Black Night are capable 12.0s
What needs to happen is the Leopard 2A7V and other very strong tanks needs to go to 12.3 or 12.7, the Challengers don’t really need to go down
In relation to other 11.7 and 12.0s it probably should be that low, or at least that far apart, but likewise should be higher than some 11.0 and you are right, it’s not 0.3 better the CR1.
What is needed is the CR2s to drop 0.3 and for some 12.0s and 11.7s to be increased by 0.3 instead
I’d support the TES/OES going to 11.3, if they didn’t overperform too much then I guess the others could follow.
I can see why people want them to all go down, but I don’t think the CR2 base is equal to the TES considering how much faster it is.
As is typical of gaijin, BR compression is the main issue.
Yeah it is. 11.7-12.0 could be spread over 11.7-12.7 rather easily imo, and then nothing would need to move down. Especially if coupled with a few buffs, like extra armour/spall liners, ready rack fixes and a dozer blade
The fact the Leo 2A5 and 2A7V are the same BR is quite ridiculous, I agree that 12.7 would be good for the best tanks.
If the Chally 2 did get the ready rack buff and its full spall liners (lfp and side hull) then it would be a whole lot more competitive. I submitted a report for hull side spall liners, but Im still waiting for a response
I’d also like to see a gun elevation speed buff, I dont see why its worse than both the Cheiftain Mk.10 and Challenger 1 series that proceed the CR2
This occurs in more than a few places iirc
CR2 also faces tanks with stronger rounds.
CR1 doesnt 3BM42, wont go through CR1 turret cheek.
DM-53 and 3BM60 have a chance to go through CR2s front turret face and any part of the hull.
CR2 is fine, it’s fun if you want a slower style gameplay. A palate cleanser.
No War thunder player is taking a CR2 over a BVM any Leopard 2A5/6/7 or an M1A2.
Neither DM53 or 3MB60 can pen the Challenger 2’s turret cheeks
They can closer to the mantlet.
