Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 1)

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It does sort of look like a Challenger 2, but the footage is really grainy its hard to tell

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The Cupola and the Barrel reference sensor were the big give aways for me

low resolution, lots of cuts, the bitrate is so bad it’s difficult to tell if it’s the same place and the smoke covers the roads which doesn’t help, they never show the actual destroyed vehicle, and it’s completely obscured by trees when the impact happens. I’d want to see more footage and/or photos tbh

With the only confirmed CR2 destruction last year the images and video were plastered across the internet in HD and 4K by any vatnik with access to a keyboard. The fact that we seem to have super grainy, badly resolved and heavily edited film that looks like it was filmed on a cheap 1990s webcam … I’m leaning towards a massive pinch of salt.

Remember how many F-16s were shot down before they’d even been in-country… there is previous for making stuff up.

Swerving back onto topic rapidly.

I’m sure we will see some higher quality photos soon, if it really was a Challenger 2 Russia will be doing anything to get a drone over there to get a high quality photo

My main point is not about the Challenger 2’s performance

Its the fact the photo idicates the mantlet has the same armour fixing as the turret face and therefore likely has composite armour

Soo.

  1. We knew outer plates of mantlet are attached with those screws, pictures of it were costed a few times here.
  2. Yes, those screws are associated with attaching plate to composite. Does it mean composite is in the mantlet? We can suspect it is, but there is noting that can prove it. We know that at least part of the mantlet is empty due to hausing TOGS cables. On one of the picutres you can see that, while not identical, screws are also used to attach part of armour to the rotor.
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This photo still only shows quite a limited part of the mantlet

We cant see how the top or front part of the mantlet is armoured

As i said

We know nothing about the top part.

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Here’s a good rendering of the CR2 Mantlet

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Grey/Black = Armoured
White = Hollow
Yellow = Cables
Green = Fixing pins

Here is my very simple MS paint render of what I think the inside of the mantlet could look like based on the photos and the position of the fixing pins

The bottom part is hollow to contain the electronics, with a hole through the armour for the machinegun

The rest could potentially contain armour, indicated by the location of the fixing pins seen in the photos on twitter

We also see from the photo that only one side of the mantlet has cables extending from it towards the gun, so the mantlet on the other side of the gun may not be hollow at all at the bottom

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either way, Mantlet cheeks still wrong.

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Now that I look at that more I see an error.

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Oooh. Nearly to part 2 :P

Busy (hopefully) trying to get frigate nunbers up.



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Banana status?

B… b but red effect told me they were all at the back not seeing any real combat XD.

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I don’t know why you lend any credence to the opinion pieces of youtubers. Youtubers are very rarely a reliable source of anything.

Yes I was poking fun.