Challenger 2 MBT - Technical data and Discussion (Part 1)

I never said the MoD had anything to do with the 130, I simply said after that project had finished they took somethings from it.

I used this exam for the name only. The reason it is in the russian tree is obvious, it was operated by USSR, the 130 is not operated by any country.

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No other country except for Germany has thus far trialled the 130 mm. And given how long it took Britain to realise rifled guns were not the way forward, I don’t have much hope in them considering a 130 mm.

Except in Germany. By a German company. For German requirements.

A company is not a country. Where did the german government request the 130 to be tested to those specs?

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Then why are the Vickers tanks in the British tree?

Germany wants it primarily for the MGCS.

Ok so that dodges the question

Rheinmetall have made a 130, then they marketed it with the Cr2

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I don’t understand? They want it tested because they want to use it in the MGCS. And many other projects besides.

They used a CR2 because it was what was available, and it was cheaper then modifying a Leopard 2.

So they made a gun. They used the Cr2 to market the gun. Now the German government has expressed interest in the gun for other projects. So the country of Germany was not involved with the 130 on the Cr2 afaik

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Other way around, again, it’s using the base of the CR2 LEP turret.

It’s a one off prototype to upgun the Mailta by the Russians, never made front line service.

AGAIN, They used the CR2 LEP turret because it fits the gun and autoloader

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No, there was interest in the 130 mm long before the CR2 130. The CR2 130 was simply the first time it had been placed in an actual tank and not fired from a static test bench.

Ok so show me that please.

From 2016

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1)OKay, but he is still a product of BAE.
2)Of course, the CV90 in the Swedish tree can be retained, but a copy needs to be transplanted to the British tree.

Ok thanks.

We seem to be going around in circles here.
I think the tank should go to the UK, it could go to both though.

The German tree should get the KF-51 and the UK Cr 130, that would make everybody happy I think.

The tank is probably a long way off coming, especially after they messed up with adding the Cr3 TD

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Yep

No. Britain has nothing to do with the CV90 apart from it being submitted to the Ajax trials.

Think we should just stop yapping and bring the Cr2 thread back to the Cr2 :)

If the 130 comes then we can fight lol

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On this I think it is because they are great variety for the tree, they are made by Vickers a company that has produced so many in service British tanks, planes and other weapons. On top of that all the tanks were made in the UK, with British parts with the exception of the mk7, which even then the turret is completely from scratch. I don’t see what other country would have the tanks, other than India, Kenya, Nigeria and Tanzania. 3 of those I can say with 99% surety wont come to the game and India is already seemingly in the British tree.

And hey, who doesn’t love a Vickers MBT.

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