This is not a Challenger 2:
Just as this is not a Leopard 2:
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It is a Challenger 2 turret and hull with a new gun and some blocks on the front.
Just like how this is still a matilda with a new gun
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It’s not a Chally 2 turret at all. It’s a modified turret from the Rheinmetall Challenger LEP proposal. They didn’t want to modify a perfectly good Leopard turret so they chose the Challenger LEP turret instead, which was going to be scrapped anyway.
Modified from what? A challenger 2, taking a new gun and putting it in a challenger turret doesn’t mean the turret is some new invention, its still a challenger 2 turret.
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Don’t know why you would come to a Challenger 2 thread and argue about this anyway, chances are it wont be added and the German tree can get the KF51 Panther (hopefully this panther has a working transmission)
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It’s an entirely new turret. There is no commonality with the Challenger 2 turret.
It isn’t though. CLIP modified a CR2 turret in the original L/55 trials, and lots of the details on the LEP demonstrator match what we see on CR2 as well (same goes for the CR3 turret - even a new fabrication doesn’t mean it had an entirely different design or layout)
Well that is completely wrong, but sure.
Its literally a Cr2 LEP vehicle, as you have said so yourself. The LEP has developed into the Cr3.
I dont know about anybody else but it would seem the British MoD took things from the Cr2 130 LEP tech demonstrator and put them on the Cr3, notably the sights, and more hypothetically the new armour from the 130 could now be called Farnborough which is on the Cr3
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I’d be very surprised if the “armour” on the 130mm turret is anything but cosmetic, to differentiate it from the actual LEP demonstrator
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Yeah it is cosmetic, but the armour was developed. Its handy to have your tech demonstrator without lots of weight, people think the engine is better :)
CR 2 130 is one of 4 2019 LEPs, it has 130 slapped into it, as that turet was designet to fit it from the start, free space at the back of the turret housed the rheinmetall modular autoloader, and mocup add on armour was added to the turret front.
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They had precisely one CR2. The 130mm demonstrator is the same tank as the CR3 TD and it was leased to them by the British government for the purpose of the CR2 LEP program
The only part Rheinmetall owned was the turret wich is why it’s been taken off, put on a stand and the vehicle returned to be converted to a CR3 prototype
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they got 4 in total iirc
The one presented on 2019 and 2021 DSEI is the same one for sure
I was under the impression was 4 vehicles between BAE and Rheinmetall - 1 for reference and one for building a demonstrator
Maybe that was it
130 will also be 62 KK 79, look at the wheels
Yea wheels can be used as a way of comparasion, as old design wheels were taken from old Cr2s that were used for parts when new ones broke
here 62 KK 79 over 2 years got one new design wheel back
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The Challenger 130 and LEP are separate projects. The Challenger 130 is a test bed for the 130 mm and its autoloader which is planned for potential use on the MGCS, EMBT, Leopard 3, and KF-51. No interest was shown by the UK in the 130 mm. The LEP is the project aimed at improving Challenger tanks.
Besides, I think it should come to both nations, I said as much in my original suggestion.
Everything built is planned for potential use, the entire point of tech demonstrators is marketing to governments, the Cr2 130 was the built because it was for marketing the 130mm gun for all countries, primarily to the UK, just how the KF-51 is marketing to Germany, but still showing off the 130mm to all countries.
It could come to both, I doubt it will and I think it will come to the UK over Germany, which a lot of people seem to agree with.
Okay 1) the CV90s where designed by hägglands & Söner before being taken over by BAE, and became a Swedish subsidiary of BAE, BAE Hägglands, who then does all the CV90 work in in Sweden
2) The CV90 is in service with the Swedish and Finnish military, oh look where all the cv90s are.
Weird you chose a really terrible example lmao, that’s a Matilda upgraded with a Russian gun, its in game, in the Russian tree.
This is incorrect, Rhinmetall finished their LEP demonstrator 3 weeks early, MoD let them keep the 2nd hull they’d been working on after Rhinmetall asked to borrow it for a different project. They used the spare CR2 LEP because the autoloader is too wide for a leopard turret and they already had a cut up turret from LEP, the MoD had about as much to do with it as siblings sharing leftovers.
I thought they got two each? The Hull of the 130 is completely stock CR2. The turret was used cause they’d already cut the back off to fit the new 120mm ammunition rack and the CR2 turret is wider than the leopard 2, thus easier to retrofit the 130mm’s autoloader to.
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