Maybe constantly happens in this forum and reddit ig?
When Australian players want to be part of UK TT, (Or independent tech tree) American players disagreed with them because of M1A1 AIM, and ‘Australia is not officially subtree of Britain, and the independent tree idea is awful because it will be filled with C&P slop.’
And when Canadian players want to be part of UK TT (or independent TT), German players disagreed with them because of Leopard 2A4CAN, and ‘Canada is not officially subtree of Britain, and the independent tree idea is awful because it will be filled with C&P slop’
For example, Canada
IIRC, ‘Some’ US main wanted to get the Canadian LAV variant because it is LAV, CL-13 Canadian Sabre because it is Sabre, and such, and want to make them subtree of the US in the name of NORAD
unsure, my memories are a bit iffy.
Not every US main or German mains are bad, but there are some bad apples in these cases.
But why post that all of a sudden in this topic? Correct me if I am wrong, but 130mm chally has no relation with Australia or Canada so I am still a bit confused
Because you cannot discuss anything even remotely related to British vehicles on these forums without people coming to moan about Canada and/or Australia
Worse than the Leo2A7 except for having a big increase in penetration and possibly a faster reload.
You lose on armor and mobility by a huge amount with original CR2 hull without the 1500hp engine and no appliqué armor. The turret is a joke, as is customary for UK tanks.
The problem isnt with them wanting to be a subtree itself. The problem is them wanting to be one in the UK which already has 2.
And i never demanded Canada to be a german subtree.
huh, isnt quite the reason alone. we only ever defended why it should be added to germany as long as Canada isnt officialy part of the game.
to be fair it is a bad idea, in the sence it wont make gajin any money, thats why its unlikely.
They can have an independent tree for all i care, i am only saying its unlikely with the additions they make. Canada has unique ww2 /cold war stuff, but fact is for the modern area they simply arent enough and wont make gajin money.
export variants whose nations arent in the game going to the developer nation realy aint nothing new .
The Uk got the Khalid but that ones not problematic?
Canadian aren’t exist in the game…
I know you didn’t mean that but that ‘sounds’…
I reckon I explained this part a lot earlier in this discussion.
Your take is ‘theoretically’ right. Only in paper.
Thanks to Gaijin’s laziness which does not add vehicles from South Africa or India properly.
Currently, two subtree of UK work as a strong gatekeeping tool, or a towel which shoved into our mouths to keep us shut up.
Just as Gaijin intended.
So, if they cannot form an independent tech tree because Gaijin can’t get any money,
And you are opposing about ‘being a subtree of UK (which has the biggest ties with them)’ because UK already had two subtrees in a row…
Then…
You want the status quo. Right?
Canadians and Aussies get their vehicles ripped and spread all over the game, then you lads get ‘vehicles with German technology’
Leo2A4CAN need to be german vehicle because it is german built leopard with German technology,
And maybe LAV SPG need to be german vehicle because its turret is based on AGM module from germany.
Just like how Chally 130 needs to be a German vehicle because its turret and gun are built by German technology and British didn’t bought or…
Al-Hussein Falcon need to be German vehicle because gun is from Swiss and British didn’t bought. /s
i tend to disagree, south africa was the best implemented subtree to this day, adding a whole line up of unique additions, most later subtrees had mostly copy pasta.
Even intresting stuff like the superhind.
The complaint about it taking up UK additions is just bull…
India hasnt been implemented that well yet yes, but thats partialy cause the people at the same time cry for commonwealth stuff. So they decide to add Hornets instead of the indian equivalents.
Subtrees often start with squadrons and premiums. It is the same with pakistan and switzerland.
China is still waiting on their tech tree additions and germany on the swiss ground line up.
No, the Uk is partialy acting entitled, cause they dont get what they want specialy. SA like i said literaly being the best implementation of an overall subtree. They gave for quite sometime the Gripen as well as an interim. It just doesnt give a top tier ground currently.
realisticaly, thats just how it is. Not every minor nation has a place in the game.
Benelux, switzerland, india all cried about how they could have their own independent tree.
But factualy they arent worth it. Not all nations can be added into the game, or only years later.
Canada is very low in the list. Korea being announced soon. there is those advocating for east europe together. Latan has advocators as well. You cant satisfy everyone.
Is canada or australia better then all other nation? what makes you so entitled to demand better treatment then other nations? Austria split into france and sweden.
iran likely will be split and so on, there is a lot minor nation who have few vehicles in the game.
Canada is not better then them, they all have the same right.
But it is just not feasible, time and effort wise.
I am all for a canadian/australian standalone tree, i am just being realistic that it would be years away.
Like italy or israel at that point vehicle might get removed from the nations and added into theirs, thats all fair and already established behaviour.
german export, specialy modified by germany later on, it fills the exports rules just as your khalid in the UK tree.
thats the funny thing, wouldnt even need the AGM module. If we wanna discuss crazy lavs can be added to “germany” cause the LAV is based on the swiss mowag piranha (i am kidding here, its so far fatched but still, same as Smins UK boxer statement lol)
no, its german cause the design, plan etc was done by germany, for germany, built in germany.
Using german technology alone doesnt make it german, your vickers mk 7 in my personal opinion is not german, only cause it uses leo chassis.
that argument only brings up the stupid all abrams, chally 3 etc etc tanks are german cause they use licensed rheinmetall barrels. Thats just stupid. The intend, builder are equaly important
The problem with the South Africa Sub-tree is NOT that it is being subtree itself (Because South Africa is also a great partner of Britain, and a member of the Commonwealth, like India or the rest of the Commonwealth does)
The Problem with the South Africa sub-tree is the same as others. Gaijin literally almost ceased to update extra vehicles, while there are still vehicles left to add.
From domestic unique variants such as Cheetah, C&P-ish licensed variants like Atlas Impala, or imported planes such as Buccaneer S.50, Mirage IIICZ/EZ, Mirage F1AZ/CZ.
If they want to act lazy, they could even try ‘British-built imported WW2 stuff’ as battle pass reward or event vehicles.
But, as I TOLD YOU EARLIER, there is only a single South-African plane in the whole air branch
Gripen C., which has a completely ahistorical, intended nerfed loadout. I still remember when R-Darter were drastically worse than AIM-120A/B, and how other Gripens got AIM-120. Adding the cheetah might be juicier if we need to introduce R-Darter, because Cheetah was the original user of R-Darter, while SAAF cancelled implementing Darter on Gripen due to cost issues. (iirc, Only SAAB broschure telling Gripen is R-Darter capable)
Sorry, mate, but from my point of view, I cannot agree with your opinion, because Gaijin don’t give us anything, not just top-tier ground, but also in all radius.
Our last South African Vehicle were Badger IFV, which was added in June 2025.
Also, our last Indian vehicle was HF-24, which was added in May 2025 via an event.
If Gaijin added the subtree vehicles constantly. (even with such as C&P premium vehicles like… Sherman from 255th Indian Tank Brigade in WW2, in Burma) There would be lesser turbulence within british main.
partially agree but also partially disagree about it, I know there was a preference for Canada and Aussie over India, and there were some Brit mains who didn’t want Russian vehicles from India
And, ‘Crying for commonwealth stuff’?, wdym pal. India was also part of the Commonwealth, so if we cried for ‘Commonwealth stuff’,
It is more of Gaijin’s fault to add ‘Other commonwealth’ C&P stuff over adding new Indian stuff with new modelling.
If you want to blame the addition of Hornet.
Well, they are probably not better than all other nations in paper, but you need to think that
Canada or Austrailia currently has more vehicles than some subtrees in this game.
Gaijin is just treating them as ‘Subtree of Gaijin’
I can understand their anger about it. What if they found their home nation somewhere, as much as they wanted. iirc, they prefer the independent tech tree most, but if it cannot happen, they consider Britain as plan-B
Yes, sad to Canadians who wanted to play her in british tech tree, but if we think about current status, it is a fair point.
Especially when Gaijin decided to paint her with german girl with ‘Senrai Maiden package’, and CF-188A showed up in UK TT.
If this part weren’t joking, I am doubly sure that we were arguing hard about LAV and Piranha in ‘Chally 2 130TD discussion.’ :|
Glad that I don’t need to show this image for a serious reason.
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Maybe I just shortened it too much.
But eeeeeh, just asking ‘done for Germany’ would be too strict a term to say, I guess?
Maybe ‘Main target was Germany.’ would fit better. If 130mm ammunition made good enough supply line to convince Whitehall, Rheinmetal and BAE might works on Further modernising of Chally fleet with technology which both earned from Chally 2 130TD,
Anyway back to original topic, as we both clarified earlier, somehow we both are fine to see Chally 2 130TD in both side of Tech tree.
If this is the case, then please explain to me why there is not a single British light tank in the tech tree between the BRs of 3.0 and 7.7. Or why there is not a single British anti-air between the BRs of 4.0 and 8.3.
I’ll give you a clue, the answer is not ‘lack of options’, there are dozens of options.
Yes, but then you ignore that people actively complain about SA implementations.
Case in point.
So either way, gajin is at fault if they implement UK stuff, but at fault as well if they implement subtree additions. The british community is one that that condradicts itself in a daily basis.
You know whats gonna happen with canada and australia being added / with what they already did?
They gonna start bitching at one point why canadian/australian stuff got added instead of the british option. But oh, want the british only want the fancy vehicle that are copy paste and benefit them in some way like the leos, abrams, hornets and so on? And the unique canadian/australian vehicles should get ignored in favour for the british options? Vehicle development still takes time and resources
still was better then being stuck with the tornado, u got an actual fighter besides that, gotta remember it started out with skytemps everyone had sarh missles.
as i said above, brits arent happy with either addition
its easier to say australia/canada and every other minor commonwealth nation the whole time
i am not speaking implementation wise. i am world wise/people wise.
Canada/Australia as acountries are just as valid as minor nations like syrian/egypt/argentinian.
There is no reason they deserve better then all other minor nations.
Thats entitled behaviour
hmm that alone isnt quite right either. A vehicle can be developed for export as well like the KF31, but if it finds no buyers, it goes to the developer nation.
Thats why its so important that you arent allowed to look at 1 singular points.
oh definitly, but that likely would end up as different vehicle, with all lessons learned from the chally 3 development. Which still means the chally 130 would be german. It doesnt change the past, only the future can change
Entirely designed and produced in the UK by Vickers, additionally Jordan is not an independant nation in War Thunder, therefore it goes to it’s designer. The vehicle was never even intended for export to Jordan, it was intended for Iran, but after the Iranian revolution it was sold to Jordan instead.
In War Thunder terms, it belongs entirely in the British tech tree.
Entirely designed and produced in the UK - Not one FV4030/3 ever arrived to Iran.
Later repurposed into the Challenger 1 prototype, which was trialed by the British and later entered service for decades.
Not an Iranian vehicle.
Both of those vehicles were entirely developed in the UK, with only one ever leaving the UK for export, with that export being to a nation without an independant tree in War Thunder.
That actually is a Jordanian development of the Challenger 1, however, as Jordan is not an independant nation in WT it would go to Britain as well.
Additionally, the Falcon turret was a joint venture between Jordan and South Africa. South Africa is a subtree of Britain in War Thunder, therefore as Jordan is not an indepedant nation Britain is the obvious recipient.
This is for the most part correct, just not for all the examples you gave.
yeah, went over that my bad, was cause the guy i answered to named non challengers himself
so… like the challenger 130
like the 2a4m Can and Canada all fair, the Khalid is where its supposed to be.
Its just an example of an export vehicle i brought up, where Uk rightfully got their vehicle
was educated to that one as well, my fault
yes, but like it. the challenger 130 was a development of germany, those it would go to germany
yep, had a few outliers wrong, like i said later on, i am not knowledgeable enough about non german modified variants.
It was mostly in response to a ragebaiter who said all challengers are british, which factualy is wrong
The mobility would be worse, however, in theory not by that much.
The CR2 130 is built off the Challenger 2 LEP, which is only 62.5 tonnes.
CR2 130:
1314/62.5 = 21 hp/tonne
Top speed: 59kph
Leopard 2A7V:
1500/66.5 = 22.5 hp/tonne
Top speed: 61kph
So in theory the mobility actually isn’t that much worse, you lose a tiny bit of top speed and only 1.5 hp/tonne. However, in WT for whatever reason the Challenger 2s feel much slower than their stats would make you believe, so it would probably still be notably slower.
The Leopard 2A7V obviously wins on armour as the CR2 130 is an unupgraded Challenger 2 hull while the 2A7V is covered in new armour addons, that’s just a given. The turret armour of the CR2 130 is more up for debate, as Rheinmetall did add “armour” (likely just a vismod) to the turret and mantlet area. I doubt it would be much better than the base Challenger 2 though, unless someone can prove the addons are actual armour.
The CR2 130 would almost certainly win in terms of firepower, with a much more potent gun fitted with an autoloader that in theory can reload faster (afaik).
