Oh I know it’s pure delusions
Rheinmetall never even called it that to begin with, this is just what this playerbase has dubbed it to make the “muh british” argument seem more plausible.
The suggestion rules for the suggested nation essentially end with the “company that made it” part.
Otherwise they basically say that it can be suggested for any nation the OP wishes (though I assume some really unfitting ones would be rejected for that)
So what would be the topic of discussion is which company is the one that made it and where said company is from, which in this case is extremely clear - It’s Rheinmetall Waffe Munition, who modified it to create THIS version of a vehicle and also trialed it at their own firing/test-range, which in this case is in Unterlüss, Germany.
“Existing Vehicle” refers to Challenger
Again, I am not trying to argue that the UK tree has no right for getting this vehicle at all, just that I believe the idea of it “not belonging to germany” is utterly absurd and simply cannot be justified when you consider the facts that RWM has provided about the vehicle thus far.
The whole “but chally hull” argument also immediately falls flat on its face the second we look at where we can find Leopard 2 chassis’ by now.
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I regret to inform you this particular part is not accurate, 4030/3 is a chieftain not a challenger
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How in the world did Khalid become Chally, mate?
It is based on Shir 1 (also known as FV4030/2), which is Chieftain. not Chally.
It is a modernised chieftain with a chally engine (sorta)
FV4030/3 Shir 2 is basically ‘Super Shir 1’(or just call it heavily modified Chieftain) for Imperial Iran. They ordered from us.
Both of Shir 1/2 have failed to get supplied to Iran due to political turbulence in Iran.
And we took tons of dead stocks, so, we sold Shir 1 to Jordan after modifying it to Jordanian standards. It is Khalid.
And Shir 2, it remained dead stock, so we cancelled the MBT-80 project, and modified FV4030/3 Shir 2 at ROF Leeds. That is how FV4030/4 Chally 1 was born.
IIRC, those are based on Jordanian chally, Al-Hussein. which we sold to Jordan.
Jordan lads built the “Falcon turret” by themselves with ‘South African’ support, and mounted a RUAG smoothbore gun on the Falcon turret.
So, Al-Hussein Falcon, we don’t have a direct connection with them except that we sold hull, but South Africans (which is part of the Commonwealth before 1961 and after 1994, also currently acting subtree of Britain in this game) have a connection with Al-Hussein Falcon
Yes, Former British, Current Jordanian Chally hull, Jordan-South African co-operated turret, Swiss smoothbore gun.
Well… there are other Al-Hussein modification plans with 'not Falcon turret but swapping 120mm L11 into 120mm RUAG L/50 (which is also cancelled and eventually led to buying Centauro), Chally-3-ish if we only think about swapping Rifled gun with Smoothbore one.
I hope you don’t call All Hussein Falcon a German tank because a Swiss company supplied the gun, and british didn’t use RUAG L/50.
No, no, no, it is not the same, mate. You brought the wrong examples to counter his argument.
Of course it is, we are not ‘Owning’ Al-Hussain, or Developing Falcon turret.
Quite strange, I thought Germany owns all leopards in the world if we think about aggression when Gaijin C&P some random leopard onto other tech tree, or Sweden owns Strv 122+, or gatekeeping Canadian leopard when Canadian wants to let it go to UK.
I didn’t mean you, but there are some german mains who think and act like that.
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Sounds like another tank for Germany :3 (im Messing but still)
Canada isn’t a official sub tree 🤷♀️ so until they are the leopards sit in Germany
:|
Sad part of War Thunder, they wanted to have a home nation which allows them to form a Canadian deck, but Gaijin just decided to divide them, and split them all over the tech tree.
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The guy i am quoting named them as british. Fact is they are not british., they are jordanian/iranian
No i call a jordanian challenger variant. All of the ones u named are.
In the same sense the challwnger 130 is german
The jordanian challengwr is there own project their developed and modified
The german challenger is a gweman project they modified. Its the exact same.
Not me, if you wanna i can search out my comment to the hungarian leo 2a7HU.
I was the first person congratulating them to the implementation to this great looking tank.
I am all for officisl nation in the game to get their deserved trees.
Canada is just not an official subtree.
Thats just it.
Couldnt care. Germans just want their equivalents added.
Funny just yesterday i talked to canadians that dont care and dont want it.
But just to put into perspective. Canadian Leos are special in the sense as well. The modifications they have for the 2a4M were developed by germany. While germany doesnt own them, the development allows it to be added to germany. Just lile challenger 130.
And the quote i made of you was correcting the error of the vehicle identification, which even your own sources say are chieftains
If you cant even own up to a genuine error whats the point in continuing this
“The Khalid (FV4030/2), which could be seen as the predecessor of the future FV4030/4 (Challenger 1),”
War thunder wiki, it was good enough in my sense for that example since that guy brought it up. Its not british thats the main point
FV4030/3 Shir 2 cannot be Iranian because THERE WAS ZERO FV4030/3 delivered to damn Iran.
It became dead stock because Imperial Iran collapsed, and we were forced to modernise those as new MBT for the crown.
FV4030/2: British->Iranian(canceled)->British->Jordanian
FV4030/3: British->Iranian(canceled)->British
Again because they aren’t a official subtree
Ah that ones on me, my bad then, i am not that knowledgsble about non german modified variants
Point stull stands trough the jordanian variants
Because
Khalid is Shir 1, which failed to be delivered to Iran.
FV4030/3 is Shir 2, which was an upgrade of Shir 1, and failed to be delivered to Iran
Both were developed and built by british, and were intended to be sold to Iran.
IIRC
FV4201 Chieftain → FV4211->FV4030 → FV4030/2 Shir 1/Khalid->FV4030/3 Shir 2 ->FV4030/4 Chally → FV4034 Chally 2.
(Disclaimer: I also might not be wrong, bc I am not Old geezer from Vickers or BAE /j)
FV4030/2 Shir 1 sold to Jordan and got a new name ‘Khalid’
FV4030/3 Shir 2 didn’t sell anywhere and became FV4030/4 Chally 1.
All of those ‘accidentally’ became how british developed Challenger 1.
Joke take: if Imperial Iran didn’t fall, we might be seeing both Shar 1/2 on American tech tree thanks to F-14A IRIAF.(IIAF in that alt-reality)
and maybe we are seeing MBT-80 as Challenger 1 instead of FV4030/4, and we are not arguing at all because no currect FV4034 chally 2, then no Chally 2 130TD.
:|
Either way, the argument of the ragebaiter that all challengers are british stays wrong trough jordania
How good would 130mm chally be anyways?
Same excuse for the Americans getting the Skink. So why not?
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So Canada can’t get to have its stuff together because “it’s not a sub-tree”, yet when we ask for a sub-tree, German and US mains come and start kicking and screaming that it should never happen unless it’s where they decided we should be placed, over where we want.
And can’t hide behind the tree suggestions, as the same users did the exact same thing to anyone who commented in support of the suggestions.
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Where is this even coming from?