You can not angle the centurion its the fastest way to get it killed
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You don’t angle it 45 degrees like a Tiger E, but smaller angles work well.
5 degrees at max
You can do more than that.
Prove all this stuff you are saying
In all fairness you are hitting the upper plate at 54°, when the actual construction slope of the upper glacis is 57°. The added 3° isn’t enough to stop the long 88 reliably though, not until 1200 meters.
Ive found the frontal armour on the Centurion 1 to be quite workable when you angle it, or I found it was quite effective when sitting on a back slope while hull down so the hull is even more sloped. Its not as good as a Panther D but it was definitely usable.
The turret is kinda trolly if you hit one of the many weird angles on it, and can be hard to hit the weaker points especially at range or if you do the old cover it in bushes trick.
Contrary to what wishie says, you can give it a decent amount of angle without allowing them to go through your side which definitely helps.
The downside is the gun, or rather, less the gun and more the fact that Gaijin has neutered APDS. You have to hit solid slabs of armour, anything with spaced or more than one layer of armour and it shatters, even rediculously thin armour. This means driver/MG ports, gun mantlets, heck even tracks or road wheels sometimes.
Its a dumb mechanic and I dont know why Gaijin only gave it to this one specific round type. Not to mention the post pen is garbage. Worse than it used to be before the APDS change as well.
That said, does it need a BR change? Id say definitely not. It doesnt really do anything better than a Panther A also at 6.0. its frontal armour is slightly worse, its side armour is just as bad, its gun has better pen but much worse post pen so it takes 2-3 shots to kill something the Panther would 1 shot every time. Its probably slightly more mobile but thats about it.
I dont think it needs to go to 5.7 either frankly, but it definitely doesn’t need 6.3.
Also Id agree that the VK3002M and Panther D should go up by 0.3 each.
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Its not just the side armour its the area between ufp and front wheel, 1 side you have ammo and driver on the other
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Wiggling exposes your weaker side armour, and is slow. This isn’t WoT.
Angling again exposes your weak side armour, and adds very little benefit at angles where this won’t get you killed.
Bushes aren’t obtainable F2P, and won’t fool players who know the general profile of the centurion.
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That’s fair, but I would add that the Centurion is better on ridges and in general because it has a much better reverse gear, lower profile, and more trolly turret armor. The downside is admittedly the gun which should be buffed to do away with the shell-shatter, but it is certainly not worse than many others at 6.3, and generally it’s quite manageable.
Not really, just because the turret is extremely armored doesn’t make the hull non existent, and if you view it as that, yeah, it should be higher, but the front is easy to destroy, it’s “comparable” to the Sherman VC, as it uses the same gun, but its turret armor is better, and hull is arguably better, but all the tanks you face, are much better, and I don’t want to say “historical matchmaking” but the Sherman firefly and the Centureon Mk.1 were both WWII tanks, and would have realistically been completely designed to combat those tanks, so it makes sense it’s good against Germany, it’s kind of it’s job. 76mm front plate at a rough 58°, armor is good, but nothing the 88mm KwK can’t handle, and really the 75 KwK either, (Panther A (75mm KwK42)) 192mm pen (0°), (Tiger E (88mm KwK39)) 165mm APHECBC, 211mm APCR (Both at 0°) This feels like “Impenetrable Jumbo” all over again, except better, because its weak spot is the entire frontal glacis. Now you may ask, “What if its hull down” well, the answer is, cry about it, just shoot for the MG port on the (when facing from front) right hand of the turret, and when in the vehicle, the left hand side of the turret. Also, saw an arg. over bushes, you can MG bushes off, as for that, I must state, skill issue. You also have, the M-51 at the same BR, complained about often, it has no armor to compare with the Cent. Mk.1, but Penetration that busts out the power, therefore, being a glass cannon, so it’s hard to compare them, but trading Armor for Penetration, and vice versa, you can figure from there, it’s not that hard to figure out unless you have the brain computing of a goldfish.
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It reduces your weaknesses by like 50-75% against even the stronger guns like the long 88 at 100m. I wouldn’t call that a small benefit.
At 100m (same as at 500m):
At this angle basically all the colored area can be penned.
However, at this angle, only the areas outlined in red have a high likelihood of penetration. The LFP is nearly impervious and the UFP is way less consistent.
Still works in War Thunder.
The Centurion Mk.1 upper glacis is strong enough to stop all the rounds you’ve mentioned. It’s about 200 mm effective against 88 mm APCBC.
The lower glacis is very vulnerable though.
Better on ridges yeah, though the Panther is probably better on the many flat city maps due to its straight up stronger frontal armour when you don’t have ridges to improve it, and more reliable round.
as I said, I think its a fair statement to say they are pretty equal in overall performance.
yes they are, level 4 in the battle pass shop. perfectly obtainable as a pure f2p. I have enough bushes to fill all the decal slots and haven’t paid a single cent for any of them.
yes, it takes grinding the battle pass, but it isn’t a ridiculously huge time sink to get to that battle pass level honestly. (also no, the bushes definitely shouldn’t exist, but I’m also not going to give up a freely avalible advantage if gaijin is offering it to me and saying “yup this is perfectly okay!”)
No they aren’t. They haven’t been for at least 3 battle pass seasons iirc, and before that they were missing every other season. I guess we’ll see if they get added back next season but I doubt it given how much money they must earn Gaijin, having actual competitive advantage and costing money. Even before then, it was 1 bush per season and down to luck on whether you got a decent one or a tiny one.
At the angle, yes, if on any slope downward, it quickly drops, and German tanks still have armor, angled decently, 80mm’s for the Panther, and Tiger E’s 102mm’s @ a rough 42° angle, and 82mm side armor, reasonable to say, it’s pretty balanced, that is if you angle the Tiger. Still, like I’ve said, the Centureon Mk.1 is THE tank to take out German armor, and defend against it, as it was designed to take them out.
they are in the current battle pass shop (though it ends tomorrow) - also sorry it was level 5 in the BP, not level 4, which is at battle pass level 57
No. What I stated specifically is with the armor of the Centurion being dead straight towards the enemy.
Edit: my bad, I read that as “at an angle”.
Apparently I’m blind, good to know. Though it does suck that it’s now rank V instead of rank IV. Didn’t they also increase the levels that higher ranks are available at too compared to earlier seasons?
Point still stands for previous seasons where bushes weren’t available, sometimes for consecutive seasons, though.
76mm APDS is one of the painest shells I have ever used at this BR