It is lighter and faster than the Panther D (at the cost of some UFP armor that doesn’t affect the outcome of most engagements) and sits at a lower BR.
And I’m not “cherry-picking.” For one, the turret rotation speed doesn’t even matter that much when you engage at medium to long ranges where the VK is a monster. At close range the difference between a VK and a Firefly may be more muted, but the Firefly is going to have to shoot more than once in most circumstances and the VK can use it’s superior mobility to turn the turret without solely relying on the turret rotation and doesn’t even have to aim. The .50 cal is nice but I’d much rather be in the VK and absolutely destroy tanks than have a .50 cal to pepper a plane or kill open-top vehicles that I could have killed with my main gun anyway.
What 6.0 tanks are you concerned about? Maybe the Centurion Mk 1? I can’t really think of any other vehicles at 6.0 that the VK might struggle to destroy except for the 75mm Jumbo Shermans, but they have shitty guns too that will struggle against the Panther. That’s more than you can say for most vehicles in full up-tiers.
That is absolutely untrue. To say that it is just “some” UFP armor is ridiculous.
17 pounder APCBC, Russian 85 mm APHEBC and US 90 mm APCBC cannot go through a normal Panther UFP unless quite literally at point blank.
However, against the VK 30.02 (M)'s UFP, these cannons can penetrate it up to 1400, 1500 and over 2000 meters respectively with the mentioned ammunition types. Even the US 76 mm with APCBC can penetrate up to 200 meters.
Edit: Additionally, the turret armor and mantlet of the VK 30.02 (M) is weaker than a normal Panther’s. The turret front itself is 80 mm, and the mantlet is weaker because:
Unlike Panthers, there’s no spall shield behind the mantlet.
The shape of the turret front that sits behind the mantlet is signficantly smaller and makes the penetrable “area” of the mantlet significantly bigger.
I do just fine with the VK- I use it in the same line-up with the Panther D- and un-spaded it already is doing better. Also it’s not an armor reduction in a vacuum- it’s greater maneuverability makes it equally survivable to the Panther D.
Game gives D and VK same speed forward and reverse. “some UFP” is 20mm sloped. That is not insignificant. Easily the difference between pen and not pen.
Battles are not fought on a flat empty plain. Even the desert maps have hills. So yes, turret rotation comes into play a lot. Especially in Realitic battles where computer doesn’t show you enemy hiding in foliage 700m away.
With a 50 cal mg the firefly can tear up many SPAAs that would give the Vk 3002 nightmares if they get close. The vk 3002 would never touch them with its ridiculously slow turret.
Vk 3002 has a great gun for it’s BR but has more weaknesses than you are willing to admit. A Challenger at 5.0 can beat the Vk. I know this as I use it regularly and destroy Vks and even 6.0 Panthers by flanking them.
I am curious about what math you ran because they don’t… do that?
Arcade stats: Both tanks have 0.5 KD, approx. 0.45 KB with Panther D having 0.4468 and VK having 0.4528, but Panther D has 60% WR and VK only 49%. VK also has more deaths per battle on average.
Realistic stats: Both tanks have same number of kills, but VK has more deaths. VK also has more battles, and lower WR. This gives the VK a lower KB, a lower KD and a lower WR. Literally the opposite of what you stated.
Nonetheless this is an extremely small amount of battles in either tank. No real argument can be made here unless someone just wants to stat shame which is probably what you wanted to do here (since “git gud”).
Oh, my bad. I’m a bit dyslexic. I’ll remove point two if it makes you feel better.
Standing by point 1 and 3. Call it “stat shaming” if you will- I’m just saying that he should actually play the vehicles more before determining which is better. He’s barely played either of them, and he clearly needs to learn how to play them.
are yu serious? centurion mk1 good at 6.0? If tiger 88mm flak43 aim carfully , they can destory centurion ,and tiger on 5.7 ,can i say tiger is too good for 5.7?
Decent damage and centurion are two words that I didn’t think I would ever see. I already know you don’t play or have any British vehicles from this one sentence…. Sabot hardly pens due to shatter and does as much damage as a wet fart and solid shit is just less pen with only slightly more damage. It does not need to be 6.3.
No, solid shot is far from being a round worth taking, especially considering it’s on par with composite in terms of damage which is THE round no one uses due to how little damage it does. The centurion is good, but it doesn’t need an up tier, especially considering most panther vareints are better overall due to the more reliable armour and aphe round they pack. The only good thing about the cent is its overall effectiveness making it usable in most maps.
What do you guys use to back up the cent mk1 with. Btw cent cant take a shot to the face by a panther also cents side csrmour is so week even my gran can give it a kicking
Except I wasn’t TRYING to use to them to explain anything. You were and you failed.
You have yet to prove your statement. And why would you say I should play them when you already know I have? You constantly make false and deceiving statements.
Neither can take a shot to the face of the other. Both Tanks would Pen the other.
He was talking about Vk 3002… it’s side armour is 40mm sloped vs 51mm + 6mm skirts. Neither of the two is very useful, so suggesting Panther side armour is “better” is not true. Plus the Cent has the skirts which nullify HEAT rounds.
And read the original Post up top. Me-thinks you will disagree with the OP since he’s saying the Cent should GO UP in BR. LOL
