New AAs?? It’s joke man… They have same range as old ones, they will be still outranged (if they don’t add new missiles)
So what was the point of adding them?!
1 Like
Make people happy. It definitely saves Israel and Japan (along with aiding UK and Italy in the future), my friends who play US aren’t super happy abt the state of the SLAMRAAM but they seem to prefer it over the ADATS. They’re definitely a massive improvement, but all of these new systems face the Kh-38ML, which has arguably become more powerful than before. With an ace’d or expert crew on the Su-30/34, you can take off, fire off, rearm and fire off more within 40-50s. Obviously you need to know where the AA is, but with limited areas on many maps… what’s the point in looking? You can also just ask people to recon. New AA are way too vulnerable with the current map design.
It feels like AA has gone up a tier, but -38ML has shot up into the stratosphere (literally and figuratively).
It gives you some options for survival, but if you aren’t able to counter the plane in the air your contribution to the team will be pretty low. Smokes could be added, but that would at the very best be just a slight buff to AAs and other ground units would largely go unaffected.
i will just post this 10 minute old replay of my first game today, and whichever CAS supporter is unignorant enough to watch it, will hopefully learn how laughably wrong they are.
CAS simply wipes the friendly team and there is no other way to frame it.
SPAA or not, this is shit gameplay.
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/355189285666058572
4 Likes
At least you can get something done with that SP.
With AAs you’re relegated to shooting down ordnance (or try) until you run out of ammo and then J-out.
Evading is simple as it’s GNSS guided.
Plane being outside of the AA’s range is the main problem there.
Yes. I said it would help a little bit. It’s not a panacea, but it will help.
1 Like
Its very hard to evade a missile capable of Mach 2.2 speeds, that lofts (out of some SPAA’s vertical detection) and has a large blast. Not to mention even if you know it is coming, you have to move every vehicle in the system, which is difficult- especially since most of these are mounted on trucks that have poor acceleration.
*Also worth mentioning only the Hammer outranges the Kh-38ML, yet it moves much slower, has a direct path (easier to detect) and doesn’t have nearly as much of a blast radius.
1 Like
some maps are so constricted that SPAA can get killed by GNSS by spraying the spawn.
the SPAA cant move elsewhere because it either blocks it from seeing aircraft, or because it will get sniped by a tank
2 Likes
This is why I don’t think the new spaa are going to change much really.
They can still spawn, fire off their what? 6? kh-38mt at you and then dive to the deck, land, re-arm and do it all over again.
The new spaa missiles don’t teleport and have travel time. The new spaa are needed as not every threat is a kh–38mt but fundamental, structural changes are required.
The new swedish one is going to be particularly bad for this. It’s missiles are already limited in range, but a single su-whatever can fire 4 of it’s kh-38mt at it, which will deplete the spaa missiles and it still has two left to kill the spaa. Meanwhile, the poor spaa has to wait forever and a day to reload it’s 4 missiles from an ammo crate. The thing only gets 8 total sadly. An obvious solution would be to give it more ammo box capacity but unfortunately gaijin tend not to make good decisions.
It’s time for gaijin to invest in the game and actually address the issues which have been plaguing it for years and are only getting worse as they continue to add new vehicles and weapons with no regard for balance and map design.
4 Likes
And to fix gamemodes!! Air is hell for strike aircraft- Fighters outrun and steal bases/ground targets, many are too weak to fight true fighters, etc. Naval is in a horrible spot, and Ground is riddled w/ balancing issues. Map design also sucks for ground. We need more than just retexturing maps.
3 Likes
Yes. Absolutely.
CAS is an obvious issue that goes unaddressed. BR compression is another. It’s obvious why previously top tier premiums suddenly end up in BR black holes, it’s to encourage the sale of the latest thing but the problem is gaijin seem to have lost sight of that fact that a game needs to be fun to remain viable in the long term. Unfortunately they seem hell bent on milking the cow to within an inch of its life without actually investing those profits back into the game outside some new vehicles (most of which are premium).
The game desperately needs new modes, much better maps and a lot of other things
2 Likes
Not really if the missile is locked at a specific location and has no vehicle tracking whatsoever.
Let’s also not pretend you need to drive for 200m in order to escape the blast radius.
You’re also assuming that the missile itself is flying at a correct location from the get go.
I think ARB has more broken mechanics and gameplay loops than it has good ones, especially higher up you go. CAS simply has no place in there and that’s obviously a very bad thing.
1 Like
Dunno where you are playing but in most of my GAB CAS will usually be important enough in a battle that it turns. Espcially when planes are dropping 5K lb. bombs on strongpoints.
They are not as rare as you think they are. I can think of numerous times where my team was holding a superior position only to have it broken by a free ride given in a bomber. Or the many times I have held a dominant position only to have it taken away by a bomb that is so big that it overpressures me even if not close.
CAS also has a huge influence on a match when those free plane lives are used to drop huge bombs on spawns. The SK and spawn camping in this game are bad enough without having a plane dropping a bomb on the spawn.
That is a poor way of looking at it. This is supposed to be a game of skill and “free kills” be they from planes or spawn camping/spawn killing is not skill, rather it is very poor sportsmanship.
Just let people have the choice…
4 Likes
It doesn’t count for the tank you are using.
Aircraft do not unlock new modifications nor new tanks.
Aircraft only gain RP that benefit aircraft, at least in GRB and GSB.
GAB is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEAST.
GRB/GSB have a strong overlap.
GSB is somewhat better than GRB due to lack of scouting markers and much higher skill floor for using aircraft, but with dedicated practice even in GSB you can end up with dominant untouchable quality using stuff like the Yak-9K, F4U-4/F4U-4B, F6F and their ilk - precision dive bombing is not that difficult if you got fine rudder control inputs and a big monitor with a strong graphics cards.
I am not capable of it, but I’ve seen a fair few people capable of planting bombs right next to tanks following real life dive bombing doctrine in bf109s and the like.
I used to think GSB is a safe haven from CAS due to the difficulty of flying aircraft, but that was just my projecting my own skill issues onto others.
And most importantly?
Even if planes added RP to the tank being used?
It doesn’t matter.
When I boot up GRB, or have the super rare chance to catch a GSB day where I have the lineup to play at WW2 tiers and in the mood to use that lineup…
I and doing so because I want to play tanks.
I want to drive around in a T-34, PzIV, Tiger, Panther, Sherman, wacky british engingeering and so on and so forth.
If I wanted to fly planes, do you know what I would do?
I’d click “Events - Air Simulator Battles” and join a match at a BR bracket that looks populated and fun.
Do you know why?
Because flying and dogfighting in GRB/GSB is bloody awful.
The map is TINY. There’s like a 8 x 8 km bowl that is flanked by airfields on each end.
If you try and use hit and run/boom and zoom tactics, there’s a significant chance that during your unloaded extension into a shallow climb (no more than ~6-8 m/s to maintain speed) you’ll get hit by hitscan magic anti-aircraft fire and are forced to turn around.
If you dive on enemy aircraft, there’s a chance that by the time you are within effective gun range (200-500 meters), you’re being hit by magic hitscan AAA fire.
And on top of this all,
in GRB you have planes phasing into reality out of thin air.
And on top of this all,
You might be mid dogfight that’s a lot of fun, setting up for position or energy advantage and suddenly…
Thanks to ticket bleed or the awfully short match duration even in GSB - the dogfight gets interrupted by the match ending.
Given that a dogfight initiated at equal energy and with a sufficiently skilled opponent to threaten you in turn can easily last a good minute if not more… 25 minutes of match timer is awfully short for any kind of fun air to air combat in my opinion.
I have a clip of Bf109G14 vs 2 F6F-5(n) (presumably in voice chat - they were quite decently coordinated!) that alone took 5 minutes of methodical back and forth ambushes in the clouds until one side finally won. (much longer if you consider the set-up and jockeying before the first time an attack run was attempted)
Another clip of Yak1B vs Bf109F4 has us fighting for 2:30 minutes following neutral head-on exchange descending from 3.5km altitude down to barely skimming the surface of old stalingrad with our bellies.
Neither of those engagements could have happened in GRB or GSB.
This will be my response to everybody who is mad about kh38
:D
No offense, but have you played WT in the last couple of months? The complete problem is that CAS have a huge advantage over ground vehicles. Their superiority is in speed, loadout, and range. This means they can attack quickly, precisely, and from long distances. The only way to counter them is… another aircraft. This physically results in battles simply being won by the team with “better” CAS – “better” meaning more effectively utilized, like with a player who can do more than just a single fly-by (though even that can change the course of a match).
1 Like
6 Likes
Mechanic is broken if it heavily favors one side (CAS) - which it does.
Would love to see stats that show overall kills by CAS vs overall kills by spaa - mode-wide. (Not those one-off videos that show a player shoot down the dumbest CAS players I’ve ever seen)
1 Like