CAS problem

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@QTip_44

You just can’t read the room can you.

You are just unable to move even an inch out of your comfortzone.

Sigh.

[Pangolin_Fan]

@QTip_44

The ww2 spaas (using cannons and no radar) are at a huge disadvantage vs the CAS they encounter

No they are not

[FlyingDoctor]

@Cookies_Juicebox

Depends on what scenery they referring to. 1 vs 1 meaning a tank vs plane then he’s correct regardless of skill. But they like to only focus and use that argument for TO and leave out the other scenarios and line up options ignoring the core design of the game. I said this a lot, but CAS is only a problem when players allow it.

Absolutely this. And even the 1v1 silly argument at all, there’s a reason why you have teams.

@Lauri Heino

That’s an awful lot of whining coming from someone who says “things are just fine the way they are.”
And that’s coming from someone who really doesn’t care too much either way (yet)!
Have you considered not talking like a ragebaiter?

What ‘whining’ are you picking up, and what’s your thoughts on the thread because you have a lot to say about me personally, compared to actually about the thread.

You are an example of the dog pile mass. Come in to attack, but really don’t hold any basis…

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[QTip_44]

Going forward your useless posts are on ignore.

[Pangolin_Fan]

Lol, CAS haters can stand the idea of som1 not suffering to CAS.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Cookies_Juicebox

Depends on what scenery they referring to. 1 vs 1 meaning a tank vs plane then he’s correct regardless of skill. But they like to only focus and use that argument for TO and leave out the other scenarios and line up options ignoring the core design of the game. I said this a lot, but CAS is only a problem when players allow it.

The thing is for many players (as we can see on forum) the issue is that in PvP game one player is able to kill them while they can’t do anything about it.

They can ask for nerfs, changes in SP/spawns but in the end the problem will remain and changed made are going to always make some people unhappy.

In order to really improve the gameplay for everyone (both the ones liking the combined aspect of the game and ones who don’t), the best solution would be just another gamemode.

[FlyingDoctor]

@ULQ_LOVER

The thing is for many players (as we can see on forum) the issue is that in PvP game one player is able to kill them while they can’t do anything about it.

You can do things about it.

@ULQ_LOVER

They can ask for nerfs, changes in SP/spawns but in the end the problem will remain and changed made are going to always make some people unhappy.

You’ve not asked for anything but your prized mode, and when it’s even suggested, you deny any option to do anything but your mode.

@ULQ_LOVER

In order to really improve the gameplay for everyone (both the ones liking the combined aspect of the game and ones who don’t), the best solution would be just another gamemode.

Again, just your opinion. Nothing more.

[FlyingDoctor]

And matter of fact, things have been done to make it better…

SP gain and SP discount on planes was reduced for certain situations with scouting, the spawn for the planes isn’t as ‘spammable’ as now everyone has to check if it’s an air spawn or a field spawn.

There are others as well, but those are the main prominent changes that do make an effect on what these threats can do.

Another is the added SPAA which also adds in multi-vehicle play, which I hope will bring in datalink and such for other additions.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@FlyingDoctor

You can do things about it.

Not when You are already in a tank.

@FlyingDoctor

You’ve not asked for anything but your prized mode, and when it’s even suggested, you deny any option to do anything but your mode.

If You had really read what I’m saying, You would find out that it is not true.

@FlyingDoctor

SP gain and SP discount on planes was reduced for certain situations with scouting, the spawn for the planes isn’t as ‘spammable’ as now everyone has to check if it’s an air spawn or a field spawn.

There are others as well, but those are the main prominent changes that do make an effect on what these threats can do.

Another is the added SPAA which also adds in multi-vehicle play, which I hope will bring in datalink and such for other additions.

And again, all this changes doesn’t solve the issue of a player who is already in a tank and facing an air unit.

As long as people don’t have a place to just play tanks, nothing will get really better.

We already had time when SPAA was seen as „better than air” to just have new planes/weapons been added later and change things. That is just a cicle that doesn’t change anything in long run.

[tensilaspider]

So, a few other options: get rid of the air strike mod. Increase SP cost to a flat 1200 for any plane with atg ordinance (Dumb bombs/Rockets) 1800 for guided weapons, 1100 for a2a missiles, and 1000 for no equipment. Also no more then 3 at a time as to not over whelm spaa.

This keeps planes in the game mode and keeps them somewhat limited to players that do good / limiting them.

[tensilaspider]

@FlyingDoctor

‘spammable’ as now everyone has to check if it’s an air spawn or a field spawn.

ah, they added a setting to ignore the airfield spawn in bad weather btw if you didn’t know.

[FlyingDoctor]

@ULQ_LOVER

Not when You are already in a tank.

Barricading yourself doesn’t make your answer any more based.

@ULQ_LOVER

If You had really read what I’m saying, You would find out that it is not true.

So when I say about it, it can’t be a thing, but when others say, it can?

I’m perplexed as to this ‘conditioning’… (Not really, I know you just argue to argue)

@ULQ_LOVER

And again, all this changes doesn’t solve the issue of a player who is already in a tank and facing an air unit.

They’ve not even been brought in for more than a few weeks, and right now I can say that it sure does make air a lot different.

You don’t want that change to be the thing though and you’re still only wanting your prized mode, and that’s called bias.

@ULQ_LOVER

As long as people don’t have a place to just play tanks, nothing will get really better.

For you that is, the majority of us still play fine.

@ULQ_LOVER

We already had time when SPAA was seen as „better than air” to just have new planes/weapons been added later and change things. That is just a cicle that doesn’t change anything in long run.

So you’re actually saying that the SPAA being added could have effect, but you’re already prejudicing it as not being enough because you want to go round and round as per usual.

Good to know.

GREAT discussion, 10 out of 10…

[FlyingDoctor]

I actually like it a fair bit.

I also still think the air spawns should be placed a little further back to behind the air field even.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@FlyingDoctor

Barricading yourself doesn’t make your answer any more based.

No one is barricading. That is just a situation that happens in the game.

@FlyingDoctor

So when I say about it, it can’t be a thing, but when others say, it can?

Where have I said that You can’t have Your opinions? The only thing I do is point out how things are in game and show it.

@FlyingDoctor

They’ve not even been brought in for more than a few weeks, and right now I can say that it sure does make air a lot different.

You don’t want that change to be the thing though and you’re still only wanting your prized mode, and that’s called bias.

If You could understand other people/players perspective, You would understand that again the changes doesn’t help them in any way. The problem still exists.

@FlyingDoctor

For you that is, the majority of us still play fine.

I’m still amazed that You refuse to understand that I use air a lot and do that quite well.

@FlyingDoctor

So you’re actually saying that the SPAA being added could have effect, but you’re already prejudicing it as not being enough because you want to go round and round as per usual.

If You wanted to prove that You don’t really understand what other people write You have done good job.

The SPAA being added doesn’t change anything from a perspective of a player who just wants to play tanks.

Again, my comment was about that the current state of things already happened few times and the outcome was the same.

[FlyingDoctor]

@ULQ_LOVER

No one is barricading. That is just a situation that happens in the game.

No, you are… Constantly barricading yourself with scenarios that can’t be countered, and repeating the same thing over and over to argue, whilst making out that I argue.

@ULQ_LOVER

Not when You are already in a tank.

You don’t have to spawn a tank all the time… You’re not limited to this one choice of vehicle that you constantly want to make out…

@ULQ_LOVER

Where have I said that You can’t have Your opinions? The only thing I do is point out how things are in game and show it.

All those times that I’ve said about these options and you’ve been all ‘Oh no, that’s njot enough I need my mode!’…

@ULQ_LOVER

If You could understand other people/players perspective, You would understand that again the changes doesn’t help them in any way. The problem still exists.

The problem is just one that a minority face, and you making out they are represented in a greater instance is just you screaming ‘Won’t anyone think about the CHILDREN!’…

@ULQ_LOVER

I’m still amazed that You refuse to understand that I use air a lot and do that quite well.

I know that you use air a lot, and I think you are a reason for these people gioving up so easily because no-one spawns SPAA because of the dreaded Yak 9, but one shot and it’s dealt with…

@ULQ_LOVER

If You wanted to prove that You don’t really understand what other people write You have done good job.

Again, refer to the top… I’ve argued with you on so many occasions that your mode isn’t the only solution, but you’ve ALWAYS come back with a ‘your mode or bust’ attitude.

@ULQ_LOVER

The SPAA being added doesn’t change anything from a perspective of a player who just wants to play tanks.

Indeed… It won’t satisfy the aggrieved because they’ll keep letting that CAS boogyman live rent free in thier head, even if they aren’t dying to it…

@ULQ_LOVER

Again, my comment was about that the current state of things already happened few times and the outcome was the same.

Well, things have changed, so you need to reassess your stance on it as things ARE being done and ignoring that and keeping on at the old state, makes it clear you’re outdated.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@FlyingDoctor

No, you are… Constantly barricading yourself with scenarios that can’t be countered, and repeating the same thing over and over to argue, whilst making out that I argue.

That is scenario that happens in game. We can act like it doesn’t but it does and people have an issue with it thus it is being discussed.

@FlyingDoctor

You don’t have to spawn a tank all the time…

But we are talking about scenario when someone is already in a tank or preffers pure tank gameplay.

@FlyingDoctor

All those times that I’ve said about these options and you’ve been all ‘Oh no, that’s njot enough I need my mode!’…

You mean the options that doesn’t solve anything from a perspective of a person who just wants to play tanks and not die from something he can’t fight back?

@FlyingDoctor

The problem is just one that a minority face, and you making out they are represented in a greater instance is just you screaming ‘Won’t anyone think about the CHILDREN!’…

Polls on the forum or anywhere showed that it really is not minority.

@FlyingDoctor

I know that you use air a lot, and I think you are a reason for these people gioving up so easily because no-one spawns SPAA because of the dreaded Yak 9, but one shot and it’s dealt with…

You know that SPAAs for Yak-9 are not a threat compared to other planes?

@FlyingDoctor

Again, refer to the top… I’ve argued with you on so many occasions that your mode isn’t the only solution, but you’ve ALWAYS come back with a ‘your mode or bust’ attitude.

It is a solution for people who just want to play tanks and not face air.

Even game moderators tried to explain it to You.

@FlyingDoctor

Well, things have changed, so you need to reassess your stance on it as things ARE being done and ignoring that and keeping on at the old state, makes it clear you’re outdated.

Outdated? Maybe.

But from what I know, new SPAAs still can be dealt with and new air/weaponary surely will come and again change the tide. As I have said, circles.

[tensilaspider]

Could be a good time to reformat and reiterate the points of both sides.

While i am in favor of a TO game mode, I do want to see the many valid points both sides have.

If possible, Make them a list like below so everyone has a clear point to use for or against with arguments. From the few examples ill make a tiny list.
For TO

• Players get to choose what they fight, leading to less hostility to 1 vehicle group or the other
• It’s impossible to balance Aircraft vs any non spaa vehicle as the aircraft can dictate the fight

For Balancing / against TO

1. Having 2 game modes would increase queue times.
2. The current mode is designed to fight with/against planes. You are given spaa to deal with them.
   A rock/paper/scissor effect

(So far it looks like
[Some players want TO mode as an addition, not a replacement so anyone could play what they want.] And [Our current ground rb mode is fine, It just needs a few adjustments to make everyone happy.]
One side wants to choose to have no planes at all, 1 side wants everyone to keep fighting planes that just need better balancing)

[FlyingDoctor]

@ULQ_LOVER

That is scenario that happens in game. We can act like it doesn’t but it does and people have an issue with it thus it is being discussed.

You put this forth every damn time you’re being challenged, and it’s literally just you barricading yourself against actual discussion… You pick and choose your discussions, which lead to them being dictational.

@ULQ_LOVER

But we are talking about scenario when someone is already in a tank or preffers pure tank gameplay.

You think that EVERYTHING relates to that one, damn, example… Every example you are given of any other avenue, same dan example…

You’re not talking, you’re just dictating.

@ULQ_LOVER

You mean the options that doesn’t solve anything from a perspective of a person who just wants to play tanks and not die from something he can’t fight back?

Again, barricading to avoid the point.

@ULQ_LOVER

Polls on the forum or anywhere showed that it really is not minority.

The aggrieved will fill out those forms en mass, it doesn’t mean you are the majority… You’re just getting a heap of people upset, voting, without care because they too, die to planes, but don’t want to do anything in thier power to prevent it.

@ULQ_LOVER

You know that SPAAs for Yak-9 are not a threat compared to other planes?

You may think that, but I feel a lot of actual, genuine skill is what you are missing from your opponents.

You’re literally punching down, making out there’s nothing to counter the plane, yet you’re exasperating the issue by A) Filling them full of self-doubt and defeatism, and B) by playing the plane as much as you seem to because you know how ‘OP’ it is, and to me, I feel you just need to be taken down a peg or 2 because the cockiness that comes from this attitude, makes it clear you need to be actually faced with a genuine opponent.

And not this 1v1 nonsense I know you challenged me to in the past… You need to actually be countered by players, who KNOW how to use SPAA, and not just blind firing on one target when 3 are up…

@ULQ_LOVER

It is a solution for people who just want to play tanks and not face air.

Absolutely not because what happens when they die to something else, do we remove that as well? No, Absolutely not a ‘solution’.

@ULQ_LOVER

Even game moderators tried to explain it to You.

Where do you think that happened? I think you’re willfully misinterpreting what was said just to being a staff member into it…

@ULQ_LOVER

Outdated? Maybe.

Especially if you ignore the changes and don’t let them even be shown to have effect.

@ULQ_LOVER

But from what I know, new SPAAs still can be dealt with and new air/weaponary surely will come and again change the tide. As I have said, circles.

I don’t think that’s accurate at all…

And the circles, yea, you, making circles… Everything else is about this one point that you cling to, about how bad it is for the players you think you have a majority of to make your proclamation of the necessary, and needed mode for them to hide away from half the game…

Totally a fix, right… Totally… /s

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[FlyingDoctor]

@tensilaspider

Could be a good time to reformat and reiterate the points of both sides.

Nah, it’s beyond that with these guys as it’s always an argument and a deriding one at that to make out that someone doesn’t understand or that someone only cares about thier kills in planes and all the junk that went with it for the past 7 years that this mode has been DEMANDED…

The thread was about the CAS issue, but it’s degraded, and I MEAN DEGRADED into just a demand for a single fix, nothing else will suffice…

There is no discussion at this stage, it’s just dictation and attacks from packs who deem people not worthy to have an opinion or say on the matter because they don’t align with the whinge.

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[Pangolin_Fan]

A2A would have to be 1800 minimum, and most CAS would need it’s BR lowered for those changes to be balanced.