CAS problem

[FlyingDoctor]

@Necronomica

But not mutually exclusive to. If the only thing that is done is opposition then there is no discussion.

I can oppose things, it’s the wonder of discussion…

As I said I feel many here think it’s a debate and need people to submit and ‘agree’ to them to ‘win’ compared to actual discussion.

As per the idea of how ULQ has gone quiet, is liking all these posts that are seemingly against me.

I find the AI definition of the discussion method is accurate… The discussion here, is dictational and completely argumentative compared to being engaging.

This all came about because I suggested that someone use SPAA which they weren’t using, and to actually get good at it…

I get berated and attacked for even DARING to pass that advice or opinion on, and that, is wrong…

@AlanHR

But you are disscussing about something others don’t.

Actually, no… I’ve noticed some others have been of the same opine, but they’re exempt because they can post up proof, and make sure that certain individuals are addressed…

I don’t see the need to justify my work to make that evidence to make people civil.

@AlanHR

You are discussing about air-ground interaction while other discuissing about wanting ground-groung interaction with no air present.

I’m actually discussing playing the game as it’s deisnged without having special modes for peopel to hide away from the wider game in.

@AlanHR

There are no connecting point for those two topics because one exculdes other. TO excludes GRB because there are no air assets in TO.

If there is no TO mode, then there is absolutely an intersecting point… Because you don’t have TO mode at all, and it’s just wishful thinking.

@AlanHR

You are not seeing issue with CAS (which is also fine), but others do (which is fine). Their solution is TO. So you trying to discuss that you have no issue with CAS with players that want TO makes no sense to them and you can see the reaction.

So you’re saying that threads have to maintain the angle that we can only agree on it, can’t post objection or want clarifications, or anything, we just have to abide by the topic that the occupants gatekeep…

That’s not discussion, I’m sorry, but you all don’t understand how forums work and are intended to be used as.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@FlyingDoctor

That’s not discussion, I’m sorry, but you all don’t understand how forums work and are intended to be used as.

I made a prompt to!

A meaningful discussion about a topic should be based on facts, statistics, and real evidence, especially when the goal is to understand reality, make decisions, or solve problems. Personal feelings and opinions can provide context and perspective, but they should not outweigh verifiable information.

Here’s why:
• Facts and evidence can be checked, challenged, and built upon.
• Feelings can be important in understanding public sentiment or lived experiences, but they are subjective and can’t replace truth.
• Without evidence, discussions can turn into echo chambers where nothing can be verified or resolved.

In short:
→ Discussions should be grounded in evidence, with emotions serving as complementary context — not the foundation.

[Necronomica]

I want to clarify that i completely agree with this (but fact checking i wouldn’t call “absolutely not part of discussion”).

[RunaDacino]

I wish the use of Large Language Models, except for ~1:1 translation, was banned on these forums.

[ron_23]

translation is the only valid use of AI in my opinion
it isnt a reliable source, it can be manipulated to say certain things and often is just halucinating something half true togther

ontop of stoping some ppl to think for themselves

[ron_23]

and why did you need to use AI for that?
arent you able to put a simple thought together on your own?

@ron_23

ontop of stoping some ppl to think for themselves

[Pangolin_Fan]

@gangsterism

i cant do anything to defend my tank against CAS

Literal skill issue. You can’t do anything, but most people can

[Cookies_Juicebox]

Depends on what scenery they referring to. 1 vs 1 meaning a tank vs plane then he’s correct regardless of skill. But they like to only focus and use that argument for TO and leave out the other scenarios and line up options ignoring the core design of the game. I said this a lot, but CAS is only a problem when players allow it.

Can’t go on the battlefield without a SPAA in my line up. I feel powerless without a counter.
3 Min in and already shot down a fully loaded F4U-4 by paying attention on air and ground and the only one doing Air Alert call outs lol Very consistent on downing CAS almost every game.

KD: 9.11 on this SPAA

Spoiler

Either way, players have a right to wishlist for TO. Up to Gaijin to change their mind or be persuaded by players to add one which I doubt they will.

[warrior412]

Lmao, 66 replies on my notifications since I last checked here a few hours ago (when there were hundreds of new posts).

Undoubtedly it was all worthwhile, as is the norm here. 😆

[QTip_44]

@Ghost of TelAviv

There is a reason why there is a whole vehicle line in every nation dedicated to SPAA.

1. spaa are often used in arcade, where they actually have a chance to shoot down the planes
2. Many countries have HUGE gaps in their spaa trees - Japan and France are good examples
3. The ww2 spaas (using cannons and no radar) are at a huge disadvantage vs the CAS they encounter - doubly so when uptiered, which happens 3/4 of the time
4. Some (many?) players just want tank vs tank battles. Why not give them that option?

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@QTip_44

spaa are often used in arcade, where they actually have a chance to shoot down the planes

They also have a chance to shoot down planes in GRB

@QTip_44

Many countries have HUGE gaps in their spaa trees - Japan and France are good examples

That is true, those gaps in vehicles are the reason these nations are “minor nations”.

@QTip_44

The ww2 spaas (using cannons and no radar) are at a huge disadvantage vs the CAS they encounter - doubly so when uptiered, which happens 3/4 of the time

People just suck using them. Just stop staying in spawn or shooting at planes which are way too far away to hit.
And in the range around 8.0-10.0 SPAA is way stronger than CAS, with exceptions. But we tend to forget that i guess.

@QTip_44

Some (many?) players just want tank vs tank battles. Why not give them that option?

Because it’s another mode which will split the playerbase and increase waiting times.

[QTip_44]

@Ghost of TelAviv

People just suck using them. Just stop staying in spawn or shooting at planes which are way too far away to hit.
And in the range around 8.0-10.0 SPAA is way stronger than CAS, with exceptions. But we tend to forget that i guess.

WW2 does not encompass BR 8.0-10.
And at BR 8.0+ spaa still face CAS that can outrange them. The Veak 40 at 7.7 uses canons that are outranged by the 2km ATGMs that many CAS can be equipped with.

Your “reasoning” that they ‘suck’ is a baseless argument. It adds nothing to the discussion.

As for the splitting aspect…

1. there are a LOT of players in the game at any moment. If you have to wait an extra 30 seconds to get in a battle, the extra wait time is a small price to pay for players to get in a mode they are comfortable with.

[RunaDacino]

@QTip_44

there are a LOT of players in the game at any moment. If you have to wait an extra 30 seconds to get in a battle, the extra wait time is a small price to pay for players to get in a mode they are comfortable with.

And if matches actually last the full length of 25 minutes, or at least 20 - then 30 seconds of waiting is nothing in playtime:waiting relation.

I’d much rather wait an extra 30 seconds to get an experience I enjoy throughout rather than one where I wait 30 seconds and within 3-5 minutes the skies turn into corsairs and yaks and hellcats making respawning in slow and heavy things or unagile light things suicide.

30 seconds for 3-5 minutes of fun is a much, much worse ratio than 60 seconds for 20 minutes of fun.

[QTip_44]

@Ghost of TelAviv

That is true, those gaps in vehicles are the reason these nations are “minor nations”.

Japan as a “minor nation”. Interesting…

Still does not address my point.
Anyone playing Japan rank V vehicles has to rely on an early rank IV spaa. And for France - same - playing rank V garage and they need to rely on rank IV vehicle (THAT ONLY HAS GUN ELEVATION OF 50 deg).

Not reasonable IMHO.

[Cookies_Juicebox]

Even though Japan does lack a Rank V SPAA, Type 99 SPH does a very good job dealing with CAS very reliably. But yes, it sucks to use the 5.3 SPAA at 7.3 line up. This is where Thailand comes into play though once Thailand ground gets introduced as a sub tree in Japan TT. Soon though, its a coming. They have the SPAA needed for Rank V+

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@QTip_44

Japan as a “minor nation”. Interesting…

Still does not address my point.
Anyone playing Japan rank V vehicles has to rely on an early rank IV spaa. And for France - same - playing rank V garage and they need to rely on rank IV vehicle (THAT ONLY HAS GUN ELEVATION OF 50 deg).

Not reasonable IMHO.

If you can’t deal with gaps in vehicle lineups, don’t play minor nations, it’s that easy.

[Pangolin_Fan]

@QTip_44

The ww2 spaas (using cannons and no radar) are at a huge disadvantage vs the CAS they encounter

No they are not

[Pangolin_Fan]

Lol, CAS haters can stand the idea of som1 not suffering to CAS.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Cookies_Juicebox

Depends on what scenery they referring to. 1 vs 1 meaning a tank vs plane then he’s correct regardless of skill. But they like to only focus and use that argument for TO and leave out the other scenarios and line up options ignoring the core design of the game. I said this a lot, but CAS is only a problem when players allow it.

The thing is for many players (as we can see on forum) the issue is that in PvP game one player is able to kill them while they can’t do anything about it.

They can ask for nerfs, changes in SP/spawns but in the end the problem will remain and changed made are going to always make some people unhappy.

In order to really improve the gameplay for everyone (both the ones liking the combined aspect of the game and ones who don’t), the best solution would be just another gamemode.

[FlyingDoctor]

@ULQ_LOVER

The thing is for many players (as we can see on forum) the issue is that in PvP game one player is able to kill them while they can’t do anything about it.

You can do things about it.

@ULQ_LOVER

They can ask for nerfs, changes in SP/spawns but in the end the problem will remain and changed made are going to always make some people unhappy.

You’ve not asked for anything but your prized mode, and when it’s even suggested, you deny any option to do anything but your mode.

@ULQ_LOVER

In order to really improve the gameplay for everyone (both the ones liking the combined aspect of the game and ones who don’t), the best solution would be just another gamemode.

Again, just your opinion. Nothing more.