CAS problem

Not at all…you seem to still be confused about what I said:

When I spoke about the 2017 data, it was only ever in the context of what things were like in 2017. Though I have seen similar trends persist in the time since, I did not claim 2017 data proved this (as you suggest). I discussed how 2017 data reflected upon 2017 realities…and that’s about it. If others cannot grasp that, that’s their issue and not mine.

The only thing that’s intellectually dishonest here is blaming me for others’ poor reading comprehension and the false claim that I said something I did not.

All in all, I’m not sure why you continue to press on with this. I did not claim the 2017 data to prove anything current…so what are you even talking about?

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I disagree recon drones are very important especially when they are used correctly. Always worth a missile

The recon drones are good if you play in squad beside you need to choose fire missile on recon drone or jet or helicopter unless you can down them fast like JuicyKuuuuki.

Even a player who is just shouting out targets with the recon drone is handy.
I only really have the Stormer so I can never shoot down recon drones ha ha

That mechanic should be removed in the first place.
Those drones are way too strong.

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Recon drones can be a make-or-break on brawl maps. Knowing where every enemy is such an insane advantage for better players- less for decent players, but still insanely good.

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Like scouting too many players dont do it!

you should, so you can see how annoyingly shit it still is to intercept Kh38s.
Atleast the SLM can to some point deal with CAS players that are just plain ol dumb and let themselves be seen by the radar until the missile switches to IR tracking. But you can still completely bamboozle the SLM by flying low to break direct line of sight before the missile has the chance to switch to IR.

Planes that fire off a missile or bomb also make the IRIST SL switch targetting from plane to missile unless they have already switched to the terminal IR guidance.
Intercepting MLs or MTs is a hit or miss due to the radar and sometimes they proxy without destroying the missile.

i wouldnt say they can fully “keep tankers safe”, id just say its an improvement over the previously available SPAAs

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Actually, it is your issue and not theirs. The manner in which you continue, even now, to lean into the use of the 2017 data, even though you admit that it is not only dated but not even contextual to the debate unless it can be verified as valid, is an argumentative fallacy that you used solely to bolster your view.

You can assert all you wish in regard to how you “meant” to use the data but we both know that most readers will not pay attention to that “disclaimer” and either take that data as valid, or only see the data and argue against the data.

The use of such data, despite your “disclaimers” is intellectually dishonest. Then to argue that you did not intend the data to be used in any other manner than to “reflect” the data based upon the “realities” of eight years ago, in a debate today, is a weasely way to declare: “The data is bad, I know it is bad but I used it anyway because it fit my view. I also know that most will not pay attention, or challenge, the fact that the data is eight years old and is most likely not reflective of today, but I am going to use it anyway because I am counting on others ignorance.”

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Oh God, what have you done? He’s now going to write a book on how you’re wrong because they should’ve read his intentions.

He should write a book and win “International Booker Prize” 2035 after TO mode become part in WT.

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It would be dumb from a balance perspective if one SPAA could keep the skies completely clear.

The presence of these guys are actually good because they can be on enemy team, so we get free foods to fill our cheap dopamine. CAS on the other hand… all taking from us and not giving anything back. Thank you for saving me by dropping a bomb on the enemy tank that almost killed me, not really :p

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Nope, not at all.

There is no fallacy nor issue–regardless of any supposed qualms had with the data itself–with reflecting upon 2017 matters with contemporary data for the purpose of discussion, especially as a response to someone else as was the case here.

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Now ‘other’s ignorance’ (your term) is somehow my fault 😂

If others do not have what it takes to read what is plainly written, that’s their issue not mine.

Your entire paragraph there applies to the people who brought up the 2017 data originally…yet you actively refuse to say anything about them, even though they tried to apply the elderly data to the present day and without placards too. That is intellectually dishonest.

All in all, I’m not sure why you keep bothering me with this…others’ problems aren’t my worries. If you have some valid criticisms to bring up with what I said, you can raise them right after you take the others to task for applying the 2017 data to 2025.

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pantsir intercepting every single NATO missile at 12.0 be like “let me introduce myself”

Intentions? Lmao, people are having trouble reading what’s plainly written…nevermind trying at clairvoyance!

Considering how the last 10 years have gone for TO, a 2035 release seems a bit rushed…maybe 2040, eh?

If I was going to write a book about TO, it have to be a tragic non-fiction (no Booker prize) discussing TO advocates’ lousy stewardship of the idea and how TO has floundered because of it.

If you want to preorder the book, send a DM.


Unable to argue with what I said, you resort to a mere GIF…unimpressive. When you have something serious to say, get back to me and we’ll talk. While you might oppose free speech and want others to be silenced, I’m open to discussion.

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Define irony…this from the guy who said just playing the game is seal clubbing, hahaha

Any subsequent complaints from you about sealclubbing can now be safely dismissed

I appreciate the humor.

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And now toptier is a complete mess cause two nations (which are almost always paired together) have overpowered SPAA, whilst everyone else has either balanced or straight garbage options.

I wouldn’t generalise it like this. Yes 110% there is an imbalance in the gamemode, however I find myself playing Multirole in a lot of top tier- dropping 1 or 2 GBU-24s in congested areas, especially when my team are outnumbered. Or killing campers that’re almost unreachable to ground targets.

But yes, there is a CAS problem. Most CAS players don’t play it like I would because they do not need to. Why stay in the airspace any longer than you need to, when you can just drop your munitions and dip + rearm? Its brainless and dead easy.

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The drones are the most underutilised mechanic in the game. Every BR it is in faces SAM/Radar Gun AA, and it is absolutely defenceless to them. Ideally, we just get rid of or nerf “Airstrike” modifications, and replace it with another incentive.

Other than that, I don’t see how they’re overpowered.

They need to fix their hitboxes as well. And what does it have to do with the airstrike mod ?

And the intel they provide when used is very much overpowered.