No plane game mode could be nice for helicopters, since helicopter are usually part of Armies/Marines and work closer with them
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You’ve got that in Heli PvE.
Heli PvE so ass, unfun gamemode with laser beam AA and everything takes forever
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Then suggest solutions to make it not ass…
Long ago there was a pretty fun helicopter realistic battles with good terrain to hide behind and jump ppl I used to play the 30mm uh1 on it that being said it definitely had balance issues
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The discussion is about a person who is already in a tank. We are not talking about other scenarios.
The discussion is about a person already in a tank . Talking about being able to spawn something else at the start already is another discussion. We can have it and You might hope into my C&F topic to read what can really be done.
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I’ll be honest, your argument isn’t really that enticing from a objective point of view.
To me it sounds like this:
“Oh so you want to play tanks because you enjoy tanks but you get killed by planes so you want a mode that don’t have planes? Well just play a vehicle you are not interested in (nor want to play) to get rid of the thing you didn’t want to face in the first place.”
At that point your suggesting SPAA vs planes gameplay to someone that doesn’t like that aspect of the game as if that is the solution to them wanting to play tanks. It doesn’t really make sense.
I’ll make it clear here that i personally don’t mind the planes at all and enjoy the current GRB mode (though i have some personal minor tweaks i would like, but that is off topic), my point is that i don’t think your solution is really a solution for the issue many complain about in this thread.
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I’m happy that someone gets it.
My point is really similar. As I like to use both ground and air (I prefer ground in most cases). But I can understand why some people would just like to use ground and I would like to play just that from time to time.
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It’s just my opinion and my argument is that they are so fixated on denying me the voice that they deride and atatck me based on nothings, make up scenarios and gatekeep everything to stop the conversation.
That’s where the issue comes to a head with ULQ because all they do is drag the argument on trying to deny everything I say, and then the dogpile comes in to rip everything up.
Any suggestion, nope… Any advice, nope… Any actual engagement is shot down by these guys because it’s not favouring them getting this prided mode that they’ve wanted for 7 years, and it’s constant.
With Silk quitting, coming back, quitting and coming back, proclaiming that the planes done it and all the rest, it’s just a round and round argument that they’ll never discuss anything whilst still saying that they do.
That is a separate issue that i have not addressed at all and will not adress either. If you have an issue with someone, take it to PM’s or if they are breaking the rules then flag it and don’t engage with it.
My take was purely on your solution to the issue many here are voice their opinions on.
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They want to not have planes in a game mode, any solution that don’t take the planes away isn’t going to solve that.
Why would they need to discuss a solution that keeps the thing they want taken away? It doesn’t make any sense.
-“I don’t want [thing] in [place]”
-“You can close your eyes, put a blanket over it or paint it blue”
-“That doesn’t take [thing] away from [place], the [thing] is still there”.
See what i mean?
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That’s not true.
They’re having issues with planes, and they think they need to have tank only mode, but there are MANY MANY options, none of which they want because they’re all wound up on the fact of demanding that they be removed.
Because it’s the other side of the argument.
Doesn’t mean it’s right, or needed. There are other options.
We could move the spawns for planes back, make the SP cost more, put AI AAA around the battlefield, make SPAA cheaper to spawn, with scouting ability, even add other objectives for the planes to go after.
So many options, yet they’ll tell you that ONLY removeing the planes will suffice and decry any other option as not being valid because they don’t want to try anything else other than their demand.
You’re falling into the trap of aligning with him and making his angles ‘fine’. The gatekeeping and ignoring of the suggestions, isn’t discussion…
Made CAS planes disappear, only 1 got away with bombing 1 tank. Rest didn’t get the chance to drop or strafe with full loadout. Unfortunately players couldn’t play tanks anyways as they kept rushing in without paying attention and lost the match.
Vehicle: Chinese PLZ83 SPH with HE-VT rounds/17 second reload.
Almost CAS free match.
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Nice use of the backup (If you did)… Even a nuke with the IS lol.
having a TO mode doesn’t remove the GRB mode. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
How about this: What is the option that makes it so that a player NEVER has to face a plane in any ground match they play and never get killed by a plane in a tank?
Which is arguing to keep the thing they want removed, of course they aren’t going to listen to that.
There is no right or wrong, its a subjective “want”.
That makes it so that a player never ever faces planes in a ground mode?
There are still planes in the match, that will at some point destroy the tank they are currently in. in minimises the risk of that occurring, it doesn’t take it away.
Exactly. If you want to eat food, no matter how hard i try i wont satisfy that want for you by letting you smell the food.
Nope not at all, i’m discussing this from purely a state of “your suggestion doesn’t make sense in regards to their wants”.
Additionally i don’t see the harm in adding a TO mode for those that want it.
True, but if someone wants a TO mode then what is the point of arguing for keeping the planes with that individual? I fully see the point of doing it in relation to the thread as a whole and the goal of mitigating the overall perceived issue of CAS. But not arguing against specific individuals that specifically voice a want for a TO mode.
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I’m sorry, but that’s what sharing opposing opinions entails, and as I said, you’re leaning to accept his roun d and round avoidance of actual discussion.
If the thread isn’t just about what they want, then why is it no-one else can talk about what they think is better?
This defeats the purpose of the forum.
I think we need the superiors in here as I was reporting the round and round dictation that was coming from ULQ because he’s the one who won’t accept others angles, and leads to groups attacking me because they think he’s the bees knees.
Not in the slightest. I have not stated as such nor implied it.
Never said that, i said:
“what is the point of arguing for keeping the planes with that individual?”
Which he is absolutely free to do as long as he doesn’t break any rules. Same as you. And me. People are allowed to have set opinions that they wont change no matter how well you argue for/against a thing (again, as long as they don’t break any rules, if they do your are very free to flag it for moderation and the Forum Moderators will deal with it).
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The issue is I do, because what I do in this game is before discussing something I try it and see how It really is.
I understand the point of people who like how things are, of people who just want to play tanks and people who don’t really care.
Because of that and my experience in this game I know that no matter what nerf/buff is presented, one side of the argument will always be unhappy with the outcome. The best solution is just allowing players who just want to play tanks do it in their own mode while with that being able to really make combined mode, combined and improve it.
No, you are by trying to contest my statements, lending him credence. Hence him liking all your posts right now…
It’s part of discussion, and actual engagement. He gatekeeps ANY engagement that doesn’t favour them, more often anything from me is stomped on and spam replied to make an issue.
If they’re accusing me of spamming like they have in the past, then it’s about time they were pulled up on the same thing.
If they can’t actually discuss anything civilly, without trying to mock, sidetrack or merely whataboutism to avoid discussion, whilst saying they totally discuss everything, but avoid coming to discuss anything other than their favorite want, then where does that stop?
I’ve been statshamed, and attacked by so many people in the past 24 hours that it’s highlights the true issue…
I can’t comment on the forum without people being upset to the point where they dogpile and berate me to try and silence me.
I’m not contesting your statements, i’m contesting the context in which you are making them.
I don’t follow here, in this very niche context you’re suggesting a half solution as an alternative to a full solution. I don’t personally see how that further discussions with that argument (TO mode) in particular.
If you have an issue with an individual then don’t engage with them and/or send a private message to a Forum Moderator about them if you feel it necessary.
See above.