Does that say you shouldn’t talk about something ? I said you are not the standard to measure performance of whatever vehicle, because you are way better then the timmies.
Stop beeing so defensive…
you dont want tank-only because its “bad for the game”.
which means you want air RB removed as well presumably, since its a plane-only gamemode instead of mixed.
pretty big part actually. and anyway what do you care? keep playing mixed battles and forget about whos playing tank-only.
If you are right and it is a big part (which we don’t know unless there is a global poll, which wont happen anyway) then i care because it will massively increase waiting times.
If anything, vehicle performance measurements should be weighted towards players who have proven a baseline competency in using that vehicle.
MOBAs mostly balance based off of competetive outcomes, not random bronze pugs. This does lead to the occasional smurf pubstomper becoming very stupid (very high skill floor, very high impact like Meepo).
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seeing 5 enemy planes in the sky happens every single game. are you doubting that it ever happens or what
valid argument. too bad it has nothing to do with war thunder
so you agree that a gigantic part of the playerbase does not give a fuck about CAS in groud battles? yea why not keep argumenting against tank-only, fuck the players after all
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Maybe it should, but they are not balancing vehicles off the stats off the very small percentage of very good players.
Never played those games.
But War Thunder lives from the mass they need to apease and brings the money. It was the same in World of Warships.
The few percent of unicums don’t bring the money.
Reading must be hard for you.
you wrote that first thing as if youre doubting that every lower tier game has 5 enemy planes in the sky, but its easy to verify that its true
in the second comment you were just agreeing that you dont care about other players if your own queue time and free CAS kills are affected, which is a pretty bad reason to be against tank-only
I didn’t say people using all vehicles means they’re ‘against’ TO…but it seems likely that most using both would be/are open to CA.
I’d be open to TO if it was around–but I’m not hostile to CA either. They’re not mutually exclusive.
So…a few facts to consider:
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Gaijin has previously described interest in TO as a “niche” in official statements (@Smin1080p_WT was the source years ago)
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What interest is expressed about TO on the forums often does come from the same few people over and over again, often for years on end|
- On the old forum, it was at best a few hundred individuals users over the course of about 6 years that turned out to express support)
- In spite of their stated interest, TO supporters have currently fallen idle and so TO has languished: there does not really appear to be any active efforts at realizing the idea, particularly as the trigger-queue concept sits idle and ignored
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The “RB GFs will die off!” boast is a talking point from TO advocates…not so-called CAS abusers or whatever…not sure how you say other people are saying it when it’s clearly a TO crowd line
- As TO doesn’t even exist yet, that line is empty and unproven bluster–a strange flex when TO doesn’t appear even close to fruition
You’re literally attributing TO supporters lines to other people…so, yeah. I don’t think there’s really more to be said on that.
Population issues have dogged the TO concept–which is why the trigger queue concept is such an appealing way to try realizing the idea. Alas, no one has even bothered to make a serious try at lobbying Gaijin to implement TO in that manner and so it sits languishing.
I have given TO a fair amount of help explaining the suggestions process of the forum and some avenues to pitch TO based upon, including suggesting ‘rallies’ in Custom Battles to practically demonstrate interest in TO and helped popularize the trigger-queue concept too…but so far, I’ve never heard of any TO supporters actually bothering with a serious formal suggestion, a Custom Battles rally to show Gaijin the interest involved (and do a very basic, informal test) nor angle at offering the trigger-queue “compromise” idea.
TO has just sat for years instead…and now I don’t think it’ll ever get off the ground after 8.5 years. It’s unfortunate, as TO would be a fascinating change of pace with its own meta.
To use some common phases: “irony is dead” and “every accusation is a confession.”
It took a long time for me to convince you about those esoteric and short-lived despawn points in RB GFs (recently reused in the WWI event weeks ago), but we got there…so all is not lost.
Yes, let’s have a sit-in in a custom server. What purpose does that serve? I’m sorry, but driving around in circles while chanting “We Want Tanks Only” in a Discord call might be appealing to you, Gaijin doesn’t care. Oh no, a custom server not doing a bloody thing!
I didn’t say a Custom server, I said a Custom Battle…which are freely available as-is. Putting together one TO battle (or many) is not only a way to demonstrate interest in the concept of TO, it’d also be a decent way to explore how the concept might work if implemented…sort of like a prototype.
If something like that was put together and attracted consistent interest, it’d likely generate interest from them.
It amazes me that TO supporters are so dismissive about such an obvious (and relatively easy) way to show proof of concept. I have suggested this since 2017 and yet no TO supporters have bothered…not even to try TO for their own sake!
Because hosting a server doesn’t mean jack. We’re not Rosa Parks, we are not going to get what we want by sitting in the back of a map. Best we can do is fill the forums and harass Gaijin until we get it. Otherwise there is another form of protest we can do, I just don’t think it’s viable to do a Harlan County War at Gaijin HQ.
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Custom battles would just be starting a room in the Custom Battles section of the game…you don’t have to set up anything extravagant–you could probably coordinate it all through the forums.
As a matter of history, I will tell you that’s been the strategy at play since January 2017; look where it’s gotten TO.
Or we continue to fill the forums with CAS hate, make people realise “oh wait, CAS is annoying” and showcase mods silencing us like Sm-- and St— having a piss fit every time they see a Tanks Only thread, and get people on our side because it’s more fun to be on the side against injustice instead of… hosting a bake sale and hoping Gaijin notices one game server just sitting around.
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I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news…but that’s also been a common strategy since Silkmonger (the original poster in 2017) debuted his thread.
After 8 years, there’s ‘not much to show for it’ and that’s the generous characterization. (The more negative characterization is that people see it all as whining–which I don’t see as necessarily the case personally.)
That the forum mods try to consolidate threads on a given topic into a limited number of threads isn’t a surprise…it’s an expectation really. They’ve done the same with AI AAA too, so it’s really the norm.
If that’s how you perceive it, alright…I’m just suggesting a different path from the one that’s been tried for the bigger part of a decade. You’re entitled to keep going as you have if you’d like.
I’m going based on actual history. Peaceful protests have never worked. Want to know what did work? You do realise tyrants typically laugh at peaceful protests, right? I wouldn’t mind if you said make a GoFundMe or whatever… actually, I get money from that… I’ll be rich in a few hours!
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While we cannot really expand upon this due to the confines of the forum on political talk and all that, I have to say this is a very ‘interesting’ take to say the least.
If you don’t want to try something new in TO advocacy, that’s fine…but it doesn’t seem to be the greatest idea when 8 years has yielded seemingly nil results.
Aye, although it would be fun if we did take that alternative path route. Imagine, the game that has an issue with military leaks now needs military intervention.
I’m just saying, I don’t believe that a sit in will do anything. Besides YouTube advocacy, I don’t believe anything will really happen. Best we can do is call each other names.
Considering that YouTubers sometimes host the sort of Custom Battles I’m describing (albeit usually usually themed (ex. ‘WW2 era’ or ‘Battle of the Bulge’, etc), the Custom Battle idea seems to fit nicely with what you envision. Altogether, I do believe the merit is there for it.
Whether TO supporters want to pursue it is up to them.
I remember a time players voted for negative reviews on Steam, after a day Gajin made an act immediately. They posted a roadmap, a plan for upcoming changes, but after a year everything slowly came back to the way it was, lacking communication. I feel like people working at this game just do their tasks and go home, they never touch or actually play their game. I currently work in the game industry and there are numerous people like that, so sad.
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