CAS NEED to be NERFED so bad

[The_Marco_Polo]

@poopooo

At the minimum you shoot with the SPAA, the enemy tanks will shoot at you, even with tanks within range. On occasions I have been able to be covered and shoot down planes, but it is the same as always, planes that have already bombed and are just walking around killing time

You need to look around and move when you need to, you can’t tunnel vision on killing plane.

@poopooo

now that shooting down a plane when they do a fast dive is very difficult to stop unless that dive is on you, and even then the dead planes can still be controlled and bomb several tanks before leaving the plane. In addition, the planes usually come in spam, and two or three SPAA cannot handle four planes if the pilots have a minimum of skill.

It’s a exactly what I said earlier. You need to get better at SPAA to be able to get kills.

[Flak_Dancer]

@The_Marco_Polo

That wouldn’t change much, it only adds like 2 minutes to get to the battle.

Change you cant be revenge killed after 20 seconds.

@The_Marco_Polo

They already increased it by a lot. Its almost 800 points just to get into a P-47 with two bombs.

You can cap with a light or reserve tank die and get a planes so not enough.

@The_Marco_Polo

That does even make sense. That’s SGB and SAB only feature

Why not??? just make use CAS a bit harder, i try it is possible.

Im not against the use of planes in GF but right now CAS is too powefull and easy to obtain.

[The_Marco_Polo]

@poopooo

Much larger maps and without mountains acting as the margin of the map.

That’s just going to open up helicopters shooting out of range of SPAA so its either one or the other.

@poopooo

More SP cost for ALL planes and helicopters.

Its already crazy how much you have to earn to get into a plane. How about instead of making it impossible to get into a plane, finding a better way to make it balanced (If it was even a issue in the first place)

@poopooo

.Return the breakage of the wings due to G forces (they should also put it in ARB, they removed it and they took away my interest in playing airplanes).

That never got removed, its pretty easy to break wings in jets.

@poopooo

Update the SPAA to give them a minimum of effectiveness.

The issue is player skill cause no one even plays SPAA as much as they should.

[poopooo]

@The_Marco_Polo

You need to look around and move when you need to, you can’t tunnel vision on killing plane.

Wow, it seems you can see all the enemies on the map, don’t you have hacks?

@The_Marco_Polo

It’s a exactly what I said earlier. You need to get better at SPAA to be able to get kills.

It is the same as before, do not give the SPAA a supposed effectiveness that they do not have. Just because in some game you kill six or seven planes with the SPAA does not mean that it works well, it is simply that precisely the SPAA model that you use works minimally. Well (there are a few of those), and above all the airplane pilots did have tunnel vision and did not make any maneuvers and just continued in a straight line (bad pilots or since they had already killed tanks, they did not care if they died).

[poopooo]

@The_Marco_Polo

Its already crazy how much you have to earn to get into a plane. How about instead of making it impossible to get into a plane, finding a better way to make it balanced (If it was even a issue in the first place)

Seriously, when you see four planes with bombs in the third minute of departure and you only see that they have one capture or one death, and you are saying that there are a lot of SP.

[The_Marco_Polo]

@poopooo

Wow, it seems you can see all the enemies on the map, don’t you have hacks?

It’s almost like you shouldn’t sit out in the open waiting to get killed.

@poopooo

It is the same as before, do not give the SPAA a supposed effectiveness that they do not have. Just because in some game you kill six or seven planes with the SPAA does not mean that it works well, it is simply that precisely the SPAA model that you use works minimally. Well (there are a few of those)

Its funny you assume that its only in one SPAA that I’m getting those kills in. And yes I really comes down to skill cause why should Gajin buff a SPAA to be unrealistic just cause people can’t use them well.

@poopooo

and above all the airplane pilots did have tunnel vision and did not make any maneuvers and just continued in a straight line (bad pilots or since they had already killed tanks, they did not care if they died).

So wouldn’t make it a easy kill cause they are not turning?

[The_Marco_Polo]

@poopooo

Seriously, when you see four planes with bombs in the third minute of departure and you only see that they have one capture or one death, and you are saying that there are a lot of SP.

The Reason they are able to get in planes with only one capture is because spotting tanks with a light tank reduces the amount of points needed to spawn in a CAS.

[Flak_Dancer]

@The_Marco_Polo

They already increased it by a lot. Its almost 800 points just to get into a P-47 with two bombs.

Flak_Dancer:

FALSE, for respawn a P47 with 3 bombs you only need 564 points.

[The_Marco_Polo]

I’m using the 5.0 one in Italy which costs around 700-800 RP to spawn.

[Flak_Dancer]

@The_Marco_Polo

The Reason they are able to get in planes with only one capture is because spotting tanks with a light tank reduces the amount of points needed to spawn in a CAS.

Nope, people do the same with low tier tanks without spotting system.

[poopooo]

@The_Marco_Polo

It’s almost like you shouldn’t sit out in the open waiting to get killed.

You cannot control the entire map, so it is not uncommon for an enemy to detect you when you shoot and move to kill you.

@The_Marco_Polo

Its funny you assume that its only in one SPAA that I’m getting those kills in. And yes I really comes down to skill cause why should Gajin buff a SPAA to be unrealistic just cause people can’t use them well.

I mean, is it unreal that the SPAA had a sight for AA?
Is it unrealistic that many SPAA with twin cannons could fire the cannons out of sync to double the rate of fire?

@The_Marco_Polo

So wouldn’t make it a easy kill cause they are not turning?

Yes, when recovering from the dive, after it has bombed and killed several tanks.

@The_Marco_Polo

The Reason they are able to get in planes with only one capture is because spotting tanks with a light tank reduces the amount of points needed to spawn in a CAS.

The colleague has made it clear. In any case, it can be seen with the naked eye, with such airplane spam it is because it is relatively easy to get the SP necessary to get CAS, otherwise situations like that would not occur.

[Flak_Dancer]

Using italy this time. SM92 with 2 500kg bombs. Is a Strike Aircraft and if i not mistaken have higher cost than P47 (Fighter) and only 568 points.
So for obtain a Strike Aircraft with 2 500 kg bombs the only i need is a single kill and die… is stupid, CAS need some adjust.

[The_Marco_Polo]

@poopooo

You cannot control the entire map, so it is not uncommon for an enemy to detect you when you shoot and move to kill you.

Just because a enemy detected you doesn’t mean you cant of situational awareness. Its pretty easy to stay in cover and still get air kills.

@poopooo

I mean, is it unreal that the SPAA had a sight for AA?

Sight as in radar tracking? cause its with SPAA that didn’t have radar tracking.

@poopooo

Yes, when recovering from the dive, after it has bombed and killed several tanks.

If you’re not able to get a target that’s diving into a battlefield you need to get better at aiming.

@poopooo

The colleague has made it clear. In any case, it can be seen with the naked eye, with such airplane spam it is because it is relatively easy to get the SP necessary to get CAS, otherwise situations like that would not occur.

You’re acting like its the worst time in the battle but yet its probably the best time to push because how little ground units are on the ground. Its also the best time to get air kills.

[The_Marco_Polo]

The SM.92 has probably the worst bombs you could ever use (same with the SM.91). You have to basically drop the bomb on top of the ground vehicle to kill it because of the amount of TNT in the bomb itself. It says its 500 kg but the TNT equivalent is 200 kg. The SM.92 is a strike fighter because of its air to air combat capability, its basically a interceptor.

US planes have a way heaver payload with much better bombs which is why they cost more if you put their full payload.

[GNDM_Panzer]

[quartas121]

As a US main, our .50 cals are better than the mediocre 40mm AA from like 3.7-6.7 past 6.7 we a lil helpless against jets unless your really good with the .50, but then we get the m163 which is pretty good

[quartas121]

And we make our planes solid, better than the literal cloth airplanes of Japan and better, but not on par with American fighters durability bf109 and fw190. Example: a c-46 pilot shot down a ki-43 with an m1918 BAR by pointing it out of the cockpit towards the ki-43 and emptying a 20 round mag

[BlueRooster57]

@ULQ_LOVER

Without needing to die first, it would be good ;)

SlowHandClap:

So what? you want tanks to be able to shoot down planes like an SPAA without spawning SPAA?

[quartas121]

I mean .50 cals can,.and they are pretty common. German mg can work, but only cuz they shoot fast

[Zyranovos]

Use gaijins terrible weather system to make them not be able to see the ground if it’s that bad. (It isn’t, I’m tired of seeing whine and moan threads about CAS)