Or just keep them how they are now cause they’re fine.
I’d be fine with them getting a spawn on the forward airfield, or above said forward airfield. However, they MUST go up in BR due to their missiles. I’m getting real tired of being beamed by random AIM-9Ls when i have no countermeasures.
They’re not,… having superior weapon at a BR all aircrafts encountered doesn’t necessarly have Countermeasures, and in Community that lacks both the time investmement to learn and search for methods to counter those missiles.
Well A-10 and Su-25K are great at their BRs for air RB. IDK why people would have issues with them.
They’re already very easy to shoot down in most aircraft. Learning to counter every missile in Warthunder is simply a requirement for the game. Only issue I have with A-10 and Su-25 and that they’re put into toptier BVR maps.
They should get their forward airspawn or go back down in BR. Both were suppose to happen together but Gaijin moved the goalpost regarding the forward airspawn.
I don’t see a need for them to get any buffs. They already ruined 7.0-10.0, they don’t need to make it worse.
in the same way, it is easy to make gun kills with A-10 at least (i don’t know much about Su-25’s though).
i played the A-10A most entirely as a Air-Superiority fighter and that’s accounting for gunkills i’ve made (i would say 40% of my actual record of Air-Air kills)
it is really a good aircraft when people knows how to use it, it can be even better than most aircraft people plays at that level.
apart for max speed (which is obvisouly lower than most people), you’re slower speed makes you to have an opportunity to make all your ennemies overshoots you, and pretty easily at that.
in which you’ll win scissors, 1 circle and 2 circle because of the heavy lift you can have thanks to Straight wings, impressive engine power (for the kind of aircraft, i never felt to lack energy apart in vertical fights that i avoid).
overall an aircraft nearly immune to SARH and Falres (heavy CM amount), with good abilities, easy to aim gun (High velocity) and for the kind of aircraft a good nose authority.
in my PoV and experience, it is a good aircraft for ARB when used properly, as people don’t even need secondary weapons:
outside of AIM-9L, i barely use AGM-65’s for Base killing or 2xPod of 7 Hydra rockets.
because the 30mm gun quality makes it able to ERASE most Ground unit,… if ennemy players don’t wanna encounter us.
My experience is :
77 victories/127 games = 60%
79 deaths/127 games = 40% survivability
195 Air-Air kills/79 deaths = 2.53 KD (as said 40% of gunkills : 78 / 195 kills)
495 Ground Targets/79 deaths = 6.26 KD
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The issue here is in whether or not they ever truly carried AIM-9P/E. In Short: No they literally didn’t. In long form:
The AIM-9P is an export missile, so that’s already out of the cards. Without a rework of the pylon’s and launcher system, AIM-9 Variants below L would not have been able to be fitted and fired. However, the AIM-9L’s launcher system is relatively similar to the AIM-9M and AIM-9X platforms, so let’s give the A-10A 9Xs and raise it to 13.7? See the issue? The A-10A was retired by the time the 9X was made, just as the AIM-9Js and AIM-9Es would’ve been retired by the time the A-10A saw production. Another big issue here is that downgrading the missile would include fictional changes to avionics systems that just simply would have never happened to the A-10A because it makes 0 sense when the 9L platform is right there.
On the Frogfoot, Russia was notorious for phasing out it’s outdated systems as soon as an upgrade revealed itself. In short: the Su-25K would have just not had the systems for base R-60s, let alone K-13s. There is a reason that the MiG-29G and (9-19) Variants don’t carry R-60Ms while the (9-13) and (9-12) variants do.
Realistically speaking, the answer here is to give it and the Su-25 Air Spawn and simply leave it at that.
Then they should raise the br to at least 11.3, full aspect missile is too unfair for those plane didn’t have flare and depend on it speed like F-104 & J35
Then why are you advocating for fictional armaments to synthetically lower it’s BR?
11.0, can’t touch 9.7-9.0 anymore, also which Draken are you playing? No matter which one literally just equip some rockets on a pylon to act as flares
I don’t think you realise how problematic these all aspect carriers are for all aircraft in the lobby at all times. They should either go up into BR ranges where everyone has flares and where everyone has reasonably comparable missiles. It is fundamentally unbalanced to have jets carrying 30G all aspect missiles that turn anywhere within 3km of them into a near-guaranteed death zone in the same matchmaker as jets with no countermeasures. You can make an argument for the early IR missiles like 9Es and 9Js, but not 9Ls or R-60Ms.
The issue is when they go up that high they kinda become unplayable… which isnt good at all. Ideally balancing 'em via modification BR changes is the best, since it lets them be playable as gunfighters at lower BRs, but they dont ruin said BRs with 9Ls and 9Ms.
Hard luck unfortunately. One or two jets that already aren’t suited to the play style of Air RB suffering a bit more is a great tradeoff to prevent them from stomping jets that have simply no counterplay. Full uptiers for 9.3 are the vast majority of your games, which, fair, most 9.3s deserve 9.7 and 10.0, but those jets are at low BRs because they don’t have countermeasures, and even still in 70-80% of their games they’re fighting 30G all aspect missiles, with zero counterplay. If not the BR, it still ruins those vehicles, and there’s a lot of them.
I’d love modification BRs. We really should’ve got them years ago, when we started getting platforms that evolved from crap missiles to 30+G all aspects and radar missiles through their service life.
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you mean after increasing their battle rating by at least 1, right?
yeah in game is very different from irl
negative, falsifying loadouts and stats is something war thunder should not do
You know there are some plane at 10.0-10.3 still didn’t have flare and chaff right? And just look the new alpha jet, same CAS armament with the 8.7 but just because getting 4 AIM-9-P4 and it BR become 10.7, so why A-10 which having way more better missile at 10.3?
yeah I can name a few, F-1 and J35D namely. AIM-9P-4 is simply an all aspect AIM-9P, though idrk why it’s put to 10.7. Unless you’re new to the plane, the people who play the F-1 and J35 usually are well versed in the tier already and thus know to carry rockets as flares, albeit it shouldn’t be the answer. Really looking at it we need decompression more but that’s not a very common thing.
I might also want to mention: F8U-2, 10.3 with AIM-9Ds, 4, which are both unflareable and undodgeable at the tier as they have such a small seeker.
Aim9d is very flarable. What are you on about?