I don’t think subtrees are a failures in general, for Britain the South African Sub Tree was a nice addition and very unique, the same for the Hungarian ground tree which greatly bolstered Italy and had a good chunk of native vehicles.
On the same note, at Italian Aircraft Gaijin has added a lot of USSR aircraft which are no different from their original counterparts and no aicraft of Hungarian origin, which would have been interesting. The same could be said for the OSA-AK and Strela spam (especially on Britain, which also has the Rapier and the 2 Stormer variants).
From my point of view, the best implementation of a Sub Tree is when:
-1: has enough unique vehicles to differentiate it from other nations
-2: the vehicles are useful and have a likeable or at least interesting gameplay
-3: it fills the gaps of line-ups and BRs where that nation struggles
it might be unique, but that’s the only thing going for it.
it’s was
A. unneeded, the UK couldn’t get domestic vehicles like the Fox for years because a ZA(and the UK had a domestic replacement for everything they brought)
B. Gaijin clearly picked the worst vehicles they could to further nerf the UK., The only vehicle I’ve found enjoyable where the non-ZA stuff in that line.
ZA can only get half a point, as it was not needed or does not fit(as it was picked over nations close to the UK, well-being one with some of the most strained relations.)
The only issue is that those are the minority, with the Soviet stuff filling more, in a Western tree. Clashing with Italy’s NATO identity.
I can only give half a point to two sub-trees, as they have 1 thing going for them but are outweighed by all the other issues.
I might have made a mistake here, since the US had also their fair share of LAV models built by General Motors.
If I remember right, the Sexton and Ram tanks were made from M3 and M4 chasis, this is why I called them local adaptations - but I might not have been fully clear here, I didn’t mean local adaptations of existing vehicles, but of vehicle designs for local needs.
This is not at all my intention, nor to anger or insult Canadians, but to provide them the best place in War Thunder where more players could enjoy their vehicles. I agree that event vehicles are not the best solution since they are unobtainable after the event is over - I hate this part of Gaijin as well. But being a Sub Tree to others, with unique vehicles, would give Canada a better place in-game and a larger player base + various BR line-ups. This will also make the grind process easier to unlock the said vehicles and will resolve issues with leveling up the crews from scratch.
By countinuing to add more and more independent nations in game would create issues with matcmaking, power creep in other nations (like how Italy, Sweden and France have right now against matches where USSR and US are on the opposite side) and BR line-up creation (many minor nations already have huge gaps in BR and Canada would not be immune to this as a nation in War Thunder).
You did, but as long as you know now. The US joined the LAVs with Gen 2, ex. LAV-25/II
Ah, ok, that’s fair. Both the US & Canada had basically been given the Lee and told to make a better tank; Canada got the Ram, the US the Sherman.
The Sexton was based on the Ram & Grizzly, so it’s a bit more nuanced.
Well, thanks for being respectful. Sorry if it seems I got heated. As for opinions, I don’t think we’ll agree for now. As I don’t agree with a sub-tree unless we got this:
As of right now, Gaijin has a poor track record of adding them, mixed with the space issues (RT can only have 5 lines).
I totally agree with this, the game doesn’t have to be “fixed” in design if it hurts the player experience. There’s various other improvements that Gaijin could do to the interface, gameplay and matchmaking - but they have to be addressed to their proper forum post and formulated one by one otherwise they will not be taken into consideration. I learned this in the previous years while trying to make my own suggestions to the devs.
I mean even then LAVs originate from the swiss Mowag Piranha.
Maybe at one point if switzerland becomes a german sub tree its reason enough to add the LAVs to german. Then you do get a Canadian Leopard+LAV line up
Likely would be a subtree for the United Kingdom. Maybe moving the Leopard 2A4 (CAN) to the English tech tree and maybe even giving the UK an F-18 to boost its air capabilities.
Aint happening realy.
UK already has to much in subtrees.
With their 2 sub trees already giving them stuff from all over the World. Further adding australia and canada is pretty game breaking.
Why research anytree if you can just research UK for everything
The US has too much the UK is supported by South Africa, Germany has alot but a other European country could be added too them Canada can work as a tech tree. For History bro
UK already has 2 subtrees (and tbh could hold it’s own without if they dug deep into domestic additions), between what the US military operates and what the US makes/designs, we are good until the servers shut down, and Canada itself only has a couple truly domestic vehicles, mostly cold war aircraft (LAV based on Mowag Piranha, and made by subsidiaries of GM and GDLS). So there is really no place for Canada