Says Overpressure over-tuned
Dies in a Vickers Mk.11, a light vehicle with no armor… unlike a Bradley
Is this bait? The unstabilized tank in a full uptier had to thread the needle to hit your cupola before you could click pretty much anywhere on his hull or turret in your stabilized tank, and what he did was the “brainless shot”?
APHE needs fixed, YESTERDAY.
Some of the heaviest armored tanks EVER BUILT, should not be getting cupola sniped by no skill shells.
meanwhile i have to pump 2-3 rounds into that T-44 to even HOPE to kill it. (And that is even dubious due to Russia’s magic armor that can be 10mm thick, yet bounce any shell known to man)
And What the hell is this total bull of APHE just nuking Transmissions and engines upon penning ANY tank?
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The community vote killed any hope of this happening.
If they did, they would just go up in BR until they meet stuff that can kill them from the front anyway.
I’m not sure, but I think it started around when the vote was held. The proposal was to nerf the sphere of death but buff spalling/fragments. The sphere of death was not nerfed, but the spalling buff stayed.
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@FlipAllTheTables, who doesn’t have enough activity time in the game recently to post a direct reply, sent me a DM with their thoughts. I am quoting them verbatim here.
To go more indepth, to attempt to compensate for the fact APHE rounds deal damage with the explosion Gaijin gives APHE rounds a generally weaker armor spall preset, meaning that the spall created by armor penetration itself when using APHE rounds is of lower amount and less damaging when compared to solid shot rounds. Gaijin’s proposal was that if explosion spall got nerfed by limiting it into designated sections, the spall from armor penetration would be buffed to match solid shot rounds.
Armor spall presets example
This is the armor spall preset that is used for 90mm M82 APCBC-HE, which you can see in the “secondaryShattersPreset” section.
In comparison, 90mm T33 APBC and other solid shot rounds above a caliber of I believe 20mm use the “ap_large_caliber” preset.
This preset applies only to spall generated from the armor during penetration, and the “ap” preset generally produces less spall that also deals less damage individually.
This code comes from the DEV server where you could test the APHE changes using protection analysis, and toggle the new damage on and off. Again this is for 90mm M82. This “testProperties” section is large and contains basically everything from the change in the armor spall preset change to the actual sectioning of the explosion spall cones.
As you can see, when the “testProperties” were toggled on the armor spall preset of M82 was changed to match that of T33.
However since the spall cone nerfs did not happen, this buff to armor spall didn’t either. The only buff that APHE did receive was the “warhead integrity” buff where if an APHE round has sufficiently little TNT in its composition the nose of the shot body will continue traveling forward after the explosion.
Transmissions and Engines are just absurdly weak for some reason, they die from the smallest fragments. Even crew have a higher survivability that the average warthunder transmission.
Additionally, I answered them with the following message:
Hey mate. Nice hearing from you. I will post your reply to the thread later when I’m at my pc, verbatim of course.
I do think something changed specifically in relation to transmission and engine damage though. I can’t remember when it was, but after one update it became really noticeable - you would shoot someone in the turret from the frontal aspect and in the back their engine would die. Do you remember what update this was by any chance?
To which they replied:
Nope, it’s one of those things that just short of appeared, and even going through the datamines on it makes little sense as from what I can tell the hitpoints of the actual transmission and engine modules only went up, not down. I could be looking at the wrong thing, but it could also just be an outright bug. Again, “even crew have a higher survivability than the average warthunder transmission”, and that’s not an exaggeration, I’ve seen plenty of cupola shots where some crew take multiple fragments and live compared to the transmission shaft taking a single one and destroying itself.
I do have the inkling memory that it’s something that came quite a bit after the proposed APHE changes though, it feels far more recent.
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Oddly enough, they did state that the APHE fragmentation damage was increased to solid shot levels, regardless of the outcome of the vote.
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Already said this, will repeat it. Not that I’m against an APHE nerf, just saying that you specifically won’t get what you want, because your Tutel will go up in BR until it can be penned frontally.
Such fun and engaging gameplay.
Didn’t actually pen or damage any important component other than the breach “hur dur die because German main shot you”
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Average heavy tanker moment
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For gods sake man. Would it kill you to make things CONSISTENT? The round shattered on the TURRET ARMOR inside the mantlet!
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I shot a Ferdinand with a ho ri in one match, round skimmed the side, detonated outside the enemy tank, and it overpressured the enemy. Yeah it is definitely over performing.
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i genuinely can’t believe people were so against that change, because Gaijin straight up said there would be a HEAVY rebalance to the game that was going to be released with the change.
the Jumbo 100% wouldn’t have been fighting Tigers and such so consistently if that change went through.
It’s not the fault of german players that brits couldn’t design an spg worth a damn, it just wouldn’t be brits if it wasn’t a large cupola, two flat mg ports and multitude of flat points on the SPG
he shot your cupola, how else do you want that player to fight you?
Always nice when ppl complain when they get nuked by German Wunderwaffen and Elite tactics.
Sorry bro, you picked the wrong vehicle for this example. While yes, the Jumbo would have less offensive potential with an APHE nerf, it would also become much more survivable if the post pen effect was realistic. When penning the mg port or around the tracks you would only kill the hull crew and not the ground crew.
To be clear, I am in favour of the APHE nerf (or even better, of buffing every other round), I’m just saying that as usual, you are only looking at the half of the coin that affects you directly. Once killing Jumbos through the usual weak spots stops working, the Jumbo will go up in BR until it sees many more things that can frontally kill it.
I have tried to tell you this in the past, though you have ignored the argument each time. Tortoise and Tutel now don’t die to APHE magic? They’re going up in BR to meet things that can frontally pen them.
Gaijin is never gonna balance otherwise.
I have noticed modules taking way more damage. Like i can shoot a panther in the turret with a sherman 75mm and it takes out the transmission even though the panther is like pretty big.
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I think that is more a new germany exclusive nerf.