Can we stop throwing bones to air abusers in ground realistic?

No, that isn’t objectively true. Rest of your comment is on the point, though.

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While I wouldn’t commit to the ‘never’ bit and think “pointless” is a tad harsh, I will only flatly disagree on the last bit: people come to WT for Combined Arms battles–they’d remain popular regardless of any hypothetical TO mode.

A main snag for TO has been it’s problems setting itself apart from CA battles for Gaijin’s sake and mechanically (we’ve never seen TO advocates take seriously the idea of splitting the CA/TO modes and this could lead to complications).

Overall, the rest of your post is correct and the Fighters First concept fits your CAP talk well.

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But I don’t find it boring to actually protect my team, perform the role I do, go out and repair those who are broken and doing the things to SUPPORT my team.

People SAY that it’s ‘boring’ to do it, yet rage and cry foul when they die to a plane… Think about that… If the ability is there in the slightest, and you choose not to use it, then the issue isn’t with the fact that you died or were unable to use an SPAA… It’s that you didn’t.

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Right now, something occurred to me as I read that latter part
Ever heard of “Bystander effect”?

Adapt it to GRB and you get “Someone ought to get into SPAA but not me.”

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“The homework and the extra credit assignment are boring!”

"HOW DID I FAIL THE CLASS?!?!"

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Based on your personal observations, which group do you think more often fail the classes?

In life and in WT, the people who fail are those who do not bother looking around, do not consider their surroundings and do not seriously plan their future in that environment.

People who don’t think ahead of matters are the ones who end up floundering, whether it’s in a classroom or on Carpathians.

Gaming out your next moves (as well as considering alternate moves and potential headwinds) is how to succeed.

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We can put it this way, an expert in MBT, an expert in SPAA, an expert in Flying, but a lot of your associates who agreed with you or who you agreed with don’t look like they even passed a single subject lol, so where is that defeat comes from anyway

I’m not sure what you mean by associates who agreed with me (lots of folks do) nor the relevance of that.

Specifically referring to what @FlyingDoctor said above, he spoke about a situation of neglect (concession of the aerial flank).

If a team leaves the skies uncontested and undefended, it’s very predictable that the enemy will use that opening to attack their foes and they are wise for doing so. If a team focuses all of its attention on only certain aspects of the battlefield while neglecting others, they are inevitably subjecting themselves to vulnerabilities and thus increasing the odds of defeat.

You can install a fantastic security system with all the windows locked up, the roof booby-trapped and the A/C ducting monitored to avoid a Die Hard rerun…but if you leave the front door wide open, John McClane can still walk right through.

Same principle…you must be cognizant of all angles enemies can come at you from or you are neglecting those things (thus inviting defeat).

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What exactly are you basing this opinion on, and whom is it you think that of?

Is it because of the dismissals that have come from others, or do you genuinely not appreciate the other point of view, compared to some numbers you’re finding somewhere?

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It’s a bit sad that even someone who tries to engage with you genuinely is just wrong, on every account.

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Welcome to the forum!

Fighters First would undercut the grievances of that spiel that complain about having to use GFs prior to protective fighters…all the more reason to implement FF. It’s simply a more practical angle at TO’s goals.

The subject isn’t of a matter, the user is. Suggestions should be put forth as suggestions, not discussions, and if it’s in discussions then I shouldn’t need to be called every name under the sun, implied that I am skill-less, desperate or whatever the heck anyone thinks of anyone who merely opposes thier opinion.

The user I was responding to, entered the forum in the most aggressive and abusive manner possible, and still finds ways of calling everyone names and abusing them for merely holding an opposing opinion.

I don’t have issue with genuine suggestions, but these constant threads aren’t, and they ALL have the same thing going for them… Those ‘affected’ come in and berate and attack anyone who dares to oppose them.

This isn’t engagement. This isn’t discussion.

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At the forum, you need to have a thick face, I recall you were the ones who taught me that lol (remember that time I mentioned all lizards being mean, it was you who I responded to I think…), as thicker face means they are less affected by personal attacks, I can make an example of who has the thickest face of all time IMO, even thicker than T95 face plate that he is immune to all personal attacks, a guy name starts G… I think you already knew who. I honestly don’t consider stat checking to be abusive, whenever it gets pulled into an argument you know you’ve made claims like you understand the problem better but your record says you didn’t, like I don’t even play 11.7 and if I suddenly talk about how easy it is to defeat Pantsir in my jet then someone going to pull my stats, then I deserved it because I have no credibility.

The issue is assuming that the stats cover all and are enough to dismiss the advice from someone telling someone to actually get good at the game they are genuinely struggling at.

I genuinely asked what basis and who you thought of what for, for a reason…

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This will be avoided. The key questions always are and if you trawl these “conversations” there is a pattern of it showing the Advocacy don’t really want the solutions they ask for.

I agree with the part that only player kills should count.

Forgot to mention J out and crashes should of course be counted too.

Say what you will about CAS but the air to air combat in ground rb is low key more fun than air rb for me, and obviously I get the bonus of playing some tanks before I spawn in a plane. Plus I can do gun runs to take out ifv’s and such to counter them when they are either sniping or on their way to a sniper spot

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