but yeah something regarding cas needs to be changed, it is completely broken and requires no skill, the most skill intensive part of cas is using unguided rockets without CCIP
Because i do not care about planes. The last time i played them was BEFORE ground was released, and played some very limited in the last BP for a mission.
And some air assault for the bonuses.
And yet, despite this, i am not advocating for an unfair mechanic in that mode, yet, you are.
Okay, so what?
I do not play above that rank mainly due to the CAS spam.
Because i am better in the game.
From the POV of using it.
Quote me the exact line where i claimed to be a “CAS expert”!
(hint: maybe don’t lie!)
Of course, when you can not deny it without looking like a liar, you just have to go with it being “nonsense”. Of course no explanitions why it would be, but okay.
No. CAS needs no skill. I am horrible with planes, and i bet you would kill me every time if we were to play in planes, since i am trash with them.
but put me in a plane against a tank, and it becomes easier than using any tank against any other.
Not on the forums.
On CCs, and especially with those, that play, and make content on both air and ground, so you can not brush it away.
If you can not understand this, then there is not really much point discussing this further.
Ahm, no.
Your argumentwas, that CAS players would have better stats, because tahk players who complain are just unable to counter it.
The issue is, that there are you, a perfect counterexample.
I have statistics to back up my claim. I have averaged the K/D of ~750 CAS user’s stats, and their average K/D is 0.56 so far. You are better than that at least, but you are still in negative.
Because those players learn how to use tanks, instead of jumping into a plane and using that to get kills.
Yeah, nice dream buddy.
Do am i not skilled enough to not be affected in my Dicker Max or Sturer Emil?
Is Spookston a bad player because he gets constantly killed by CAS?
How do i counter a bomber at 3-4km altitude with shells that self destruct after 2km?
How do i counter a heli camping 4km away when i can’t lock onto anything beyond 3km?
And these were just examples of using dedicated SPAAs. What about just a regular tank? How do i counter CAS with it?
Okay, i misunderstood it. Sorry for that.
To answer it, there are a few things:
1, it can be still used in the “combined” mode.
2, you can just not play them, just like you would likely not play other “normal” tanks you don’t like.
I don’t see you ever playing with a T32E1, Pz 38 nA, etc.
3, many SPAAs are better against tanks anyway.
You also don’t seem to complain about specialized vehicles not designed to counter tanks being used outside their roles, such as rocket launchers, or demolition vehicles.
I used the italian version that sits like a whole BR lower with all of it’s rounds being ready, instead of using clips.
Most of the times i could not prevent my teammate from death, nor myself if a plane just yoloed on me, especially with multiple targets.
Plus i had more ground kills with it, despite trying to focus on air.
Can you prove it is biased? It is easy to claim it is, but can you actually show it?
Nope, i directly told you that, and you have been in other threads where i explained it to other misrepresenters.
You continued to use my RB stats to misrepresent me, despite me telling you again, that i have not played them other than right after beta.
I have the exact same experience in both using SPAA, and using a fighter to just go head on against it.
but hey, let’s ask somebody who qualifies your game mode criteria, @ULQ_LOVER how effective are SPAA?
Markers are not present on fighters. Yet i can just search for targets and kill them. I, and i am trash with planes.
You being a misrepresenter is one thing, but at least do not lie.
Ahm, no. You tried to disqualify my arguments based on me not playing RB (instead of attacing the actual argument), but when i tagged someone who met your criteria, you just said nevermind.
And tankers would also like to just use and be matched against those who also just like to play tanks :)
By capping a point, or getting a few assists. WOW.
Yea yeah sure.
Actually no.
You advocate for planes, just like your buddies. Therefore you are CASvocates.
If you call tankers TO advocates, then don’t be butthurt when people call you a CASvocate.
You were insulting (not that i care, i just point out your double standards), so you are toxic as well.
How can i evade getting killed by CAS in a slow, open top vehicle, that has no MG, nor gun elevation to shoot them?
Again, an attact on WT players!4!4!4
Okay, thanks for making it clear.
Can you maybe provide source for that?
Yet you could not disprove any of my claims, and you just ramble about me “not having experience”.
But again, did that guy use any skill? Could i do anything to save my vehicle?
Yeah, we might win because that, but it is worthless, when i could not even leave my spawn, or get to position before getting yoloed by someone with 0.6 K/D.
You are insulting the playerbase!
No. Again, the issue is financial for Gaijin.
Please tell me other solutions where using any tank i have equal chances agains any CAS, as the CAS has against me!
It is the only one :) Otherwise provide the other implementations!
games such as Battlefield and Arma are very different, not only that in Battlefield air is also rather op, and in Arma its more balanced cause of the wider range of AA weaponry, such as MANPADS and the skill requirement to be good with aircraft in Arma, there is also Squad, one of the reasons that they havent added aircraft aside from transport helis is because of how overpowered attack aircraft would be, and because of the lack of anti air weaponry, they also cant just go and add the aircraft and give the players MANPADS and better AA because the aircraft would still be too op, a good example of where this is a problem is a modded Untuned server, cant remember the name, this server is based on Squad but in this they have attack helis and jets, they are also brokenly op even with the AA system in the server, the only real threat to the aircraft there is other aircraft
question were you using the proxy round, and how many of those enemies were flying straight at you
Yes and one of them flew at me, the rest flew towards my team, 1 of them was flying away after missing the bomb drop.
You did not answer the question.
You provided a single tank with a single example.
Again, and please answer me, is an almost fully stock M48 good in an uptier when i get 14 kills in it and carry the match?
Is a chinese PT-76 good, just because i got a single 14 kill match in it?
So you only engaged one of them that also engeged you. It is even worse of an example then.
Many tank only advocates claim that it is only possible to shoot down aircraft from the ground, when they are coming straight for you. I guess that is why he mentioned that.
no i asked cause i wanted to know how skilled they were, but i will give an example of an SPAA that can only really take out aircraft when they are flying straight at you, but even then the SAM sometimes just goes right through the enemy, that SPAA is the stormer
and no im not a TO advocate, i like the idea of having aircraft, tanks, and helis in the same match, its just as it is right now cas is way too op, and i say this being someone who also uses cas
cas is broken
The Stormer is a bit handicapped by its SAM. It doesn’t have a proximity trigger, so you must score a direct hit to do damage.
yes i know, i get about 60 or less ping on eu servers, ive had matches of less than 10 ping and still had to lead the starstreak almost a full aircraft length ahead of the jet just to hit it, even then most of the time the hit only is on the tail
what? I said 1 engaged towards me, the rest didn’t, they rest went for my team so they were mostly side shots as they dove down. Just the last one tried to fly away and got him after finishing a turn. I wait for the right moment to fire, I won’t shoot just like that like a newbie…
For #1, that is just as I said. Saying that it is okay to have vehicles that have no way of doing anything in the gamemode. I do not recall this existing in the game currently so I would rather not start.
For #2, similar to above. I may choose to not play certain vehicles but they are still useful in the match if I choose to use them.
True. That tends to happen when you give an auto cannon an AP belt. Like the wirbelwind pre-penetration formula
it doesnt even have to be ap, i have more luck killing mbts than jets with the stormer
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I just described what you said then.
Just like SPAAs, since most of them are effective when used a s a tank destroyer, or AFV.
Because they also had them IRL.
Also, it at least makes them somewhat useful. Just look at the Sidam 25. It only has 40 or so APDS, so it is all but useless against tankls when you run out of them.
I also had one just recently, also a huge 152mm to the face, I think it’s something more than a hole in his left wing.
Downing a jet like that does feel damn good though
that is true
But that thing is very situational, even if you give me 5 hours I wouldn’t be able to reproduce the same result again with Object 120 using the solid shot.
thats what makes hitting the aircraft so satisfying