I don’t think that the 2S38 should be at 10.0 right now. Probably around 10.3-10.7. It is better than the HSTV-L right now. 3x faster reload and facing vehicles at lower BR brackets. the penetration in this situation is proportional to the vehicles they face.
Yes, it is. 10.0-10.3-10.7-11.0-11.3 Is 4 brackets higher than the 2S38
Yes, this is true. That is why I think the OTOMATIC should either be dropped along with the HSTV-L Or they need to raise the 2S38 2 brackets.
Again, the penetration really doesn’t help with the tanks it faces. The armor is horrible anyways and will not stop any rounds at this BR. Even as maximum angle, most rounds at 10.3-11.7 are going to penetrate this. The armor really doesn’t help.
with the penetration difference being so little, and the tanks it faces having much higher armor the higher volume of fire from the 2s38 will be far more effective at taking down tanks from the side, even more so now that spall liners are a thing
my point is still perfectly valid if not more so, first of all spalling damage is equally bad for both rounds, for that reason only the 2s38 has the advantage because again with the low damage they both deal having volume of fire is better, my point is even better when you consider the fact the first shot of the hstvl does nothing when hitting spall line, the 2s38 has an advantage even in that regard because again because they both have bad damage having more Volume of fire gives a bigger advantage than 50mm of extra pen.
I have stopped posting in this thread @AlvisWisla is legit straight up trolling, making up his own rules, stats and just discards everything that doesn’t fit into his reasoning of why the 2S38 is fine where it is.
Pointless to continue arguing with this dude. Invest your time in something that doesn’t turn your brain into mush.
someone please make a bug report on the 3UO8 high explosive shell.
its not a HE-VT but a Multifunctional shell. in WT it should be a HE-TF shell. if anyone has the docs make go get this cockroach nerfed
@MantarochenMax
I’ve exclusively responded to those defending 2S38. My stance never changed and you can see that from my initial post here to this one.
I’ve stated many times that 2S38 should be 10.3 in-line with HSTVL & Strf 9040C’s BRs.
That’s what I’ve been telling a lot. I assume a big majority of the new Roadmap suggestions containing HSTV-L vs 2S38 comparation including my suggestion. And yes, most of the unclassified documents I found on the open-sources telling the HSTV-L has a Proximity shell for using against aerial targets. And also the shell (Delta 3, used lately Delta 6) penetrating at least 400mm at a range of 1000m in the documents.
The only thing I assume is the sales for the 2S38 is too high. They will probably take care of the issues when they see the sales going below a certain threshold. If the sales ever does that.
it’s just what they did on Begleitpanzer too.
Again with you comparing apples and oranges…
The two aren’t really comparable
The closest equivalent to 2S38 is Begleitpanzer 57 which luckily doesn’t have APFSDS. If it did, it would probably be 11.7 already… Another thing Bagel lacks is the IRST track which 2S38 has and in game can (in theory) lock aerial target 10km away.
Sure, Bagel can be AA but you have to manually lead the target yourself while 2S38 does all that for you. All you have to do is fire the gun.
As I said in the BR changes topic, it’s close to being jack of all trades. It’s very good for air but it’s also very good for ground and you can switch between being AA or AT pretty much on the go. Not to mention what menace 2S38 is in downtiers.
10.3 least for 2S38 but 10.7 would be more fair. It still wouldn’t struggle.
Just my two cents
No, if Begleit had APFSDS it’d be ~10.7 - 11.0 due to its TOW missiles as well.
IRT doesn’t impact BR when the anti-air capability is lower than its BR.
Eh, TOW (or I-TOW) Begleit has would play negligible role mostly because tanks at these BRs have ERA and composite armor and the aforementioned TOW (or I-TOW) do not have tandem warhead or proximity detonation. It would mostly be due to it being able to fire APFSDS very rapidly
Of course but M3A3 Bradley (probably best example) has TOW-2 and its derivatives (Tandem TOW-2A and down detonating TOW-2B)
Begleit only has TOW and I-TOW
