Why is there a suggtion for it to go to Germany then?
Also, it’s Leopard 2A4M CAN and Leopard 2A6M CAN.
Question do you know what “CAN” stands for? I’ll give you a hint it’s a Canadian variant of the tank.
Was it not produced in Canada though?
Its actually not. Its just the specific selection of modifications Canada selected from KMW. The 2a4M and 2a6M are advertised by KMW as options for anyone. Just because Canada bought them from the Netherlands and then bought upgrades from KMW doesn’t make them Canadian.
War Thunder is based on derivative and developmental tech trees. The 2a4 developmentally leads to the 2a5, the evolution, the 2a4M, the revolution, etc. The 2a6M is just an upgrade for the 2a6
What I do often find difficult about researching the variants of leopard 2s is figuring out which feature is either from KMW, Rheinmetall, Rheinmetall subsidiary, or another company. For example, the strv 122 composite that was supposedly developed as a “Swedish” composite was made by IBD and Akers, but the problem is that Akers involvement in any of the packages is unclear. KMW makes the leopard 2 composite themselves while IBD supply’s parts of the Mexas Armor addons which is why its so confusing right now.
I think the only variant of Challenger I supported going to possibly the German TT was the one from Rheinmetall, but it doesn’t really seem derivative to anything we have so it would be best for Britain. I think it was a joint venture anyway; I think anyone would agree its not German
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That doesn’t matter, the Skink would be in the US tree. Except it wasn’t.
Some of you are very funny, always arguing that this can’t go to this tree that can’t go to that tree, Leopard 2 must be German but he can appear on Swedish tree (Leopard 2A6NL 122A B B+), T80U must be Soviet/Russian but he can appear on Swedish Tech tree, why don’t you guys fight Gaijin? It’s too noble to bully a British player. British players are not allowed to complain on the forum, wait you fuckers favorite KF51 leopard 2A7 Leopard 2A8 was sent to Italy by gaijin I see if you want to jump off a building
Everything you said about the Canadian Leopards is wrong.
A) the NL leopards we bought were used to pay off our debt for lent leopards in Afgastian. They weren’t used long enough to be upgraded. Because they where even to Germany right after they where bought.
Yes, Germany can get the normal 2A4M and 2A6M but those aren’t what we are talking about.
We are talking about the 2A4M/2A6M CAN. That “CAN” isn’t there for fun it’s for extra modification done by Canada.
Canada has no unique naming scheme for tanks like our planes. If the name of the leopard in Canadian servers has something pointing to Canada it’s because Canada has done modfations.
Care to explain this to me?
The Skink is a modified Grizzly A Canadian Variant of the M4A1 Sherman. Manufactured by Montreal Locomotive Works, its 100% Canadian I have no clue what you mean. The LAV II is a improved/upgraded version of the US’s LAV 25 Both of which were produced by General Dynamics Land Systems Canada. I will state I believe the LAV 25 is American but the LAV II is Canadian.
I’d be glad to share the information of Canadian vehicles as I feel like sharing the information and knowledge is better to be shared to clear any misunderstandings.
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Well yes. As previously stated germany has enough domestic options for top leopard tanks that they don’t need other countries’ sub variants.
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Grizzly was a Licensed M4A1 Sherman tank. Partially using parts procured from the US before manufacturing the parts themselves. A lot of people had an issue including myself for a time on why it was added to the British tech tree. Which now is accepted as the Brits desperately needed a better anti-air vehicle. The only 2 they had available were the Crusader AA Mk I and AEC AA as well as the 2 South African Anti Air trucks. The only 3 out that were good were the South Africans and the AEC AA, but ammo and or protection was very limited pushing with them wasn’t exactly something you could do.
My message was also about a previous one referring to that vehicles are usually placed into a tree by the manufacturer’s origin as well as what it is more based on. Separate from the captured vehicles that’s another topic for another day.
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Anything you say about the Skink applies equally and more to the Sherman Firefly btw. You should be demanding their repatriation to the US tree as well to be consistent. Good thing it’s only US and Britain and there’s not something like a Hungarian Tiger to deal with. Oh. Wait.
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The thing is it was given to the UK because they had tested and ordered the Skink. Far more than the US on the project.
Compared to the US’s involvement aka 0% the UK had about 10%.
If the Americans want something they can get the Hispano armed version of the Skink. I don’t think we need it all that much.
I’d rather not. It’s dumb to separate the early and late versions of the Skink.
Picture doing that to an aircraft. putting the early-life version of it in one tree and the late in another. You can see the problem.
Yeah. Immediately as I said it I realised it was stupid. All of Canada belongs to the crown.
As I stated, I understand that I didn’t back then, I don’t care today. However, in terms of the Grizzly M4A1 it doesn’t use any parts to my knowledge from the UK, all parts were based on US design and just manufactured in Canada for service.
Not related to you Storm but for Bruce, the British Sherman relies heavily on parts from their own country, little to no part of it likely remains of the original. Aside from that it is also produced and manufactured in their own country.
I think the key part though, is not necessarily if the vehicle is from/used in the UK, or even partially manufactured in the UK. But that Canada and Australia are bit under-represented in game. Britain is the natural place for their vehicles to come and in Canadas case, we already have several in the TT (even though they are not yet a full Sub-TT, though they should be)
Not saying every Canadian vehicle in service or has been in service should come to the UK (though they do have some very interesting native build stuff like the Arrow i’d quite enjoy) but some of their import stuff would be quite intersting too, and potentially quite beneficial to the overall tree quality. CF-18 and Leopard could be ideal for us this coming year. I’d prefer a Leopard over a Indian Tank that just wouldnt quite fit and would feel kinda random. We could do with something to support the Challenger 2s (though as always, fixing them should be the priority)
Combine with a Canadian high tier IFV (I cant remember what its called) , and you have quite an interesting top tier Canadian Build with a Leopard, IFV and ADATS. With a CF-18 for CAS/CAP.
Not saying every Canadian import should come to the Britain Tree, but I dont think a few would hurt and its not exactly like Germany is missing out on much, as they likely have the same from other sources, maybe their own armed forces. Same for any US made vehicles in service in Canada as well.
Any native vehicles though, should come to Britain, and there isnt much disputing that in my opinion.
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The LAV III is the ifv i think you are forgetting the name of
Thank you
I was pointing out that the manufacturer isn’t everything.
In the case of the Skink, The UK tested and was going to buy the Skink(then the war ended so that didn’t happen). Well the US didn’t even look at the vehicle.
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and if it is. Then anything BAE or Roll Royce helped build can start coming to the British tree.
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