Call of the Dragon: Earn the Object 292!

[Beeschurger]

@Portugueseotaku

The second statement, in context, was about what your experience will be if you want to grind the event,

@Portugueseotaku

I was not implying you were forced to do the events

Oh so what players experience will be IF player wants to grind and you were NOT implying players were forced ?

@Portugueseotaku

but you now have to grind the game non-stop the entire year

Your own words, “have to”.

You are either trolling, dishonest or both.

@Portugueseotaku

I can’t believe I have to explain this to you since I assumed it was plainly obvious. I don’t want to just think you are doing this in bad faith, but I’m really starting to consider that option.

Which makes this statement of yours all the more funny.

My brother in christ you are the one engaging in bath faith argument. Dont say you have to do something and then go how you didnt mean to say have to.

Cant believe I have to explain this to you.

@Portugueseotaku

The amount of points require per stage is higher

Marginally, this is to compensate for the fact players no longer need to grind 40k a day if they want both air and ground rewards, or 60k if they want all three rewards at once.

Im okay with this system, even though i will probably go only for ground reward 99% of the time.

@Portugueseotaku

having the ability to sell the vehicle requires extra grinding, where it previously did not

Factually incorrect, at least in regard to previous events. Summer 2022 rewards like Leopard 2AV were also split into coupon that was untradable and required two more stars to become tradable.

Two more stars equalling 80k score PER VEHICLE to upgrade the coupon arent extra grind?

@Portugueseotaku

add that 40k per 2 days is excessive

20k score a day is score people can reach by playing normally for two and half hours assuming they are at least average player.

@Portugueseotaku

Should they be balanced to purposefully make life harder for people that do want to sell it where they previously were not?

I really dont care about people grinding only to sell event vehicles. Event shouldnt be balanced around them.

Event should be balanced around players that want to grind the vehicle for themselves. Those players should be no.1 priority, anything else comes second.

People that dont want to participate in the event but still want the vehicle can always buy it either through directly buying stars or later buying vehicle on market. Again, game shouldnt be balanced around such people.

@Portugueseotaku

This isn’t better because it comes with a huge caveat that’s bad for the game as a whole

This couldnt be less vague if you tried. Why it isnt better? And whats the caveat?

@Portugueseotaku

Imagine if instead of this, you just had the previous event setup, but running for longer, without the 2-day limit and lower point requirements.

That would indeed be better solution, alas we dont have that one. If gaijin ever decides to move to this format, i will support it.

That doesnt change a thing about my opinion on the new format, which is infinetively more better than the old format.

[DerLachendeMann]

The tradable coupon as a ‘big deal main prize’, let’s see…

The tank in itself has no real value per se, it’s just pixels that you don’t even own and may or may not entertain you.

If you want to sell it all you can do is exchange it for other pixels or things related to it, for quite a few hours of doing things that you might not be doing if there wasn’t that prize at the end, like in this case playing tanks if maybe you’d actually prefer to play planes, or having to play for longer than you usually would.

It might take you 30-40 hours of doing things that apparently you wouldn’t do or do to a lesser extent to get a tradable item, at which point you’ll get in-game currency. Now if you’d put in maybe 1-4 hours of overtime, depending on the value of the vehicle in game, you’d get that amount of money which you could freely spend on the game, for less time invested, with an added bonus of having more time to be free to do whatever you want, which may or may not be to play War Thunder.

So either you play because you just want to play anyways or you’re doing something that isn’t really economically viable.

[Beeschurger]

@DerLachendeMann

you’re doing something that isn’t really economically viable.

Inb4 what about people that cant afford to put money into game

[PacketlossRedux]

Question: Mission points acquired by aircraft in Ground RB do still count, or does that not count ? Or do we have to end the mission in a tank and then it counts?

[HyJetV]

Grinding this event in top tier is now impossible.

People are bum rushing so they can get into jets.

I havent had one match with less than 4 aircraft in the air, on mine or the enemy team, at any given time.

[Ivoidol69420]

Why cant i get any points for the first mark?

[Mytho-GR1]

@HyJetV

I havent had one match with less than 4 aircraft in the air, on mine or the enemy team, at any given time.

[HyJetV]

Its great if you enjoy doing that.

But for the rest of us playing tanks, its a nightmare on steroids now.

[Mainreset]

Good to know you completly disregarded player feedback and kept horrendous 2-day 45k points grind.

[Mytho-GR1]

It was a joke i understand its frustrating

[Deashar]

This is the way. As a married person, the 2 day cycles puts a lot of strain instead of one single intense session.

[カグツチ]

Realisticaly they wont.

[Necronomica]

are you on the right rank and vehicle type?

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@Portugueseotaku

It isn’t, because the point requirements are higher.

Multiple videos have been released by half a dozen people doing the math to figure it out. For all vehicles, you’re putting in an extra 40-50k xp.

@Portugueseotaku

You don’t need to do multiple rewards at the same time, which is good, but you also put the game in a state of permanent grind that isn’t desirable either.

It’s much better than a borderline impossible grind and then 3 months of radio silence.

@Portugueseotaku

Only if they are willing to play the game nonstop with breaks of only 2-3 days in-between events and having to put in more points. The previous system was bad. This is also bad, just in a different way.

Then don’t play in a grindfest event. The entire point is to maximize playtime, and to have a long lasting event with an XP requirement does that perfectly.

@Portugueseotaku

The grind is worse than it has been for the last 2 and half years, and for the last 2 and a half years the grind was already ridiculous.

For the last 2 and a half years you had to grind 1.2M+ XP if you wanted everything. Now it’s what… 360-380k in the same time period?

@Portugueseotaku

It’s more of a grind because it requires more points. It requiring even more grind to make it sellable is also an objectively worse system because the previous ones were sellable instantly without the need for any busywork. Why should I not be upset that I cannot, in your words, “sell the vehicle with minimal effort” when it used to be that I could always do that? If you have a reward structure in place and then replace it with a worse version of itself, I am not going to be happy with that.

It requires 5k extra points. That’s a solid 20 extra minutes.

As I’ve said multiple times, it’s supposed to be harder to sell.
The reward structure is receiving a limited time vehicle. That reward structure is lost when you can throw 30-100 GJN at your screen and have it with no effort.

@Portugueseotaku

No, the entire point is to incentivize people to spend money, assuming anything else is delusional.

The entire system for this works against the sale of the vehicle, though? Even if you buy all stars, you can’t sell it. Even at that, it’s supposed to be much harder to sell.

What’s delusional is saying that a system implemented to make resale of an item harder is actually to make people spend more.

@Portugueseotaku

Making the resale of the vehicle harder also does not benefit the playerbase in any way. It makes it harder for people to get coins from reselling vehicles and makes those vehicles more expensive for those that want to buy them.

It makes the vehicle itself lose value if it’s easy to acquire and sell immediately. It’s not made to benefit the playerbase, it’s made to benefit those who play during the event. If the playerbase that openly refuses to grind it and would rather buy it is asshurt that they aren’t getting their share, they should play in the event.

Good. Rare vehicles being expensive is what makes the vehicle rare.

@Portugueseotaku

And like I already said multiple times, it’s not the same amount of effort but you need more points now.

Like I said over a dozen times, it’s 5k extra per star.

@Portugueseotaku

Can you stop swearing and argue normally? This event is, at best, the same level of difficulty as the previous events just spread out over a longer period of time. You might see the spreading out of the events as an upgrade, but it’s ultimately a sidegrade, because, like I said many times already, it comes with the side effect of putting the game in a state of permanent grinding.

Boo hoo? I’m not the one calling people delusional, so who are you to judge the indirect exclamations I use?
It isn’t. It’s 1/3 the workload over 3x the timeframe. That’s the entire point of it. You get 2-3 months to grind 1.2M xp, not 3 weeks to grind 1.2M xp.
If you think it is, “at best”, the same level of difficulty… You’re outright wrong.

It’s a progression based game. What’s wrong with grinding? For people like me who has 1 singular tree to grind, or others who already maxed their trees, this is a side activity. Without it, the game has no point.

@Portugueseotaku

Why is that a good thing? You think people being able to sell coupons for coins and those coupons being cheaper is bad?

Yes? Do you not understand what “limited time” means? It’a a merit based event, not money based.

@Portugueseotaku

Do you think coupons costing absurd amounts of money on the market is a good thing?

I think it’s a great thing that those who put in the work to obtain a vehicle get the vehicle, while those that put in no work do not. Why would I have a reason to take part in a grinding event like the T-80UM-2, a rare vehicle, when level 20s can buy it for <50 GJN? Why does that have any less value than the T-72M2?

@Portugueseotaku

It doesn’t benefit them because it only swapped out an intensive, but short grind, for a more relaxed, but much longer one.

That’s… A benefit? I’m not even gonna read the rest of your shit if you claim X was for Z, when Y is a direct correlation.

[VonZip1]

The biggest beef is the 2 day time limit, many of us have jobs and don’t have the time to devote hours upon hours every day to make the time limit or are older as I am and hate having a sore shoulder and arm trying to grind for hours after work. And it’s the same issue with events during holidays when people have to travel, it sucks. All that needs to be done is change it to a timed event but for the total time of Feb 1 to Feb 19 and not every 2 days and have a grand total of points that are needed to complete the event. Then just make a progress bar with marks on it at every 45,000 points to win a prize along the way. That way someone who can’t play every day can decide when they want to play during the 2 1/2 weeks to complete what they want, if it’s an hour a day and then 12 hours a day on the weekend etc. Should be simple for everyone to devote their specific time to grind the event.

[ItsOnyy]

45K is not that bad, I got 22K in just an hour and a half, that’s 2 hours or less of gameplay a day, for a slightly above average player. What I don’t like it’s 750k points needed for the upgrade cupon. It should be lowered for sure.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@VonZip1

The biggest beef is the 2 day time limit

I wouldn’t mind 4 day limits at 90k. I can get that 90k in one day, but I might only have that 1 day out of the 4. As for the 2 days, that might be entirely blocked off due to the 3 days I can’t play.

[MommyDommyEnjyr]

So seems I was right :D just completed my 45k in 15 games, each game was counted in time and the sum total was 130 minutes (thats rounding up every number to the nearest)

and considering this 750k score is not gated like the 45k stages are, you can basically do large chunks of this naturally playing which makes this imo even better than I initially thought (I suspected it would be gated but its not)

oh and doing the math, anyone who spends 4-6 hours per day trying to do this score would have to average 1200 score or less and considering 1-2 kills + cap can net you nearly 1k alone assuming you get 1-2 crits along the way I was right about the ppl that are complaining.

Your pratically not contributing if your getting less than 1200 score when its literal ez mode to achieve considering most of my matches have over half the team above this threshold.

I get ppl dont have time but dont expect handouts for zero investment (little investment at that)

[_retro_gamer]

No, you are not right about people complaining. Unless by “naturally playing” you only fit your playstyle. I naturally play by spading new vehicles. I’m currently spading the TCM-20 and I average 1500 points per game. As I naturally play in arcade, I get 1255 points for the event and I need 36 naturally played games to achieve the 45k mark. With 10 minutes per game on average (including hangar and loadings), that’s 6h.

And if that’s not enough, here you have a screenshot of my last game to prove you how wrong you are with your numbers. That was a stomp on our side, yet only four people got more than 1200 points. And same in the other team. Now apply the 0,93*0,9 to these numbers and rerun yours.

[MommyDommyEnjyr]

@_retro_gamer

That was a stomp on our side, yet only four people got more than 1200 points

your playing arcade… which flat out has a 0.93x modifier… so you proved my point about not contributing yet expecting handouts, its funny cz in arcade you should be doing better than what your own screenshot even shows 1 air kill and 2 kills with no caps, no assists.

Your also at what BR range? considering I’m seeing the Dicker Max then your maybe rank 2-3 so yh.

events like this while they can be “done” by lower ranks its not meant for those players hence the lower modifiers, but said modifiers are lower because obtaining a higher score is easier due to matches “can” go on much longer but due to arcade having a lot more relief on spawn requirements due to vehicles having no SP cost its fundementally easier to frag out more, so in all honestly you having that score with little input proves my point entirely about people expecting handouts.

I should have clarified my score/games was done in GRB at Rank 8 so the numbers do not lie :D im already 70k deep on todays total of 750k and ive played i think 21 games in total today.

Its going to be harder for lower ranks because while games can go on much longer and you can spawn more vehicles its also easier to see one sided games or have very little input, not much can be done there even by gaijin and if they lowered the requirements for the lower ranks then you would get the really good players hop in lower BRs with the crazy meta lineups wrecking lobbies left, right and centre