I tend to compare the Mk.3 to the Al Khalid or MBT-2000, as well as the Obj.292. Here’s a fairly thorough comparison I made a while back.
I have no idea why only 12.0 Merkavas got a reload buff when 11.3 M1A1 got it as well ?
Right now, M1A1 is the outright better Merkava that sits at the same BR, that’s kind of sad.
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Compression is never the answer, BUT a quick fix of pulling all Mk.3s down to 11.0 will hardly affect anyone who faces it while making the Mk3 more viable. If the devs were to lower It’s BR to 11.0, the new vehicles who face it will be:
M3A3 Bradley - 800mm penning ATGM, no problem handling Mk3
Radkampf - DM33 easily penning Mk3
Leo2K - DM33 easily penning Mk3
Sprut - 3BM60 Lolpenning Mk3
Desert warrior - 800mm penning ATGM
ZBD04 - 600mm penning the entire front hull of the Mk3
Dardo and VCC80/30 - 800mm penning ATGM
These vehicle have no armor. Putting them against the Mk3 won’t make a slight difference to them, as they are already being lolpenned by any round that sits in this BR bracket. AND, they can still easily defeat the Mk3, because of its weaknesses.
It would also benefit the Israeli TT by giving a lineup to 11.0 (currently, only the Namer Tzrikhon is 11.0)
And it will still be uptiered to 12.0, so i think its balanced
Of course its just a band aid, and DECOMPRESSION is the key to having just a bit more fun in this conquest of a game…
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Mk.3 has to go down to 10.3, not 11.0. It’s weaker than M1 and Leo 2A4. But I would compremise on 10.7 for sure.
If the armor on it is to be buffed, I would agree on 11.0.
10.3 is way way too low, do you actually think its sensible T-72A, leo 1a5, ztz96 Strv 105 need to face 589mm of pen?
This has to be a joke right?
I want Israeli tanks to be competitive as much as the next guy, but not outright op
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Mk.3 has 9.3 level of mobility and armor. At 10.3, it would be but a glass cannon. Therefore, to not make people shout ‘Israel Bias’, it would be moved to 10.7, alongside the Leo 2A4 - which is superior to it - and the T-80UD, which is even more superior to it.
Or instead, it could be buffed to be realisticly armored and equipped, and then still be put down to 11.0, due to still being rather inferior to most 11.3 tanks (and being a tank from the hell 1980’s, so why would anyone make it face tanks from the 2010’s?).
dude merkava armor are trolly as fuck it does not need to go 10.3
around 11.0 is good or maybe 10.7 but it does not go 10.3
Trolly? Yes.
Consistant? No.
It doesn’t matter if you get one-shoted or two-shoted at (although, from my experience it’s one-shot most of the time). You are dead nonetheless, since any hit kills gun/breech/gunner+commander/turret ring+engine.
It’s consistant of being helpless, unless the enemy is an idiot.
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That’s the point. IRL the armor should be twice as effective.
The armor level is OK-ish. The only source I know of rating the armor states 450mm KE for the turret and 350-400 for the front hull. Its kinda what we already have. The problems with Mk.3 lie elsewhere:
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Thanks to M322 and being constantly uptiered to 12.0, the tank is meant to play like a glass cannon.
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Nevertheless forcing a glass cannon to start the grind with an extremely bad round for the purpose (HEAT) is borderline criminal.
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Instead the tank should start stock with M321 APFSDS.
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Nevertheless 11.3 is no place for it. Should be lowered to 11.0 or even 10.7 so that its not condemned to uptiers.
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In WT it’s horrible. IRL it’s more over 400 mm KE in the hull and turret, being fully capable of resisting 3BM42 all over the front (apart from the LFP, where the enging block absorbs the damage). In the game, however, you can get penatrated frontally and even one-shoted at by 2S38 and even 30 mm shells from the front.
IRL, yes, and even more. Not in WT.
In-game the UFP has 180-250 mm KE protection max. The turret has ~350 KE protection max.
… Which is no more than avarage at 11.3 BR…
With no mobility to get to a position and no gun depression to snipe…
A miswriting or something I’m not yet aware of? Never heard of M321 before… Do you mean M322?
For once we agree.
Again we agree!
More like 10.7 or 10.3, it is legitimately wotse than any 10.7 MBT.
AFAIK M321 was the first 120mm APFSDS used by Israel. Its listed on many sites but I never found an actual brochure or concrete information on it.
But we are mostly in agreement, they want you to play the Mk.3 like a glass cannon but they don´t give you the tools to do it. So yeah, perhaps the armor needs a little tunning (but we are kinda scarce on sources for that) but even so it won´t make much of a difference at 11.3. Perhaps I could accept the current BR if Mk.3 had M322 stock and M338 as a researcheable. However I rather have M321 as stock and see the BR lowered to 11.0 or 10.7.
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Thank you, good to know!
Sad to know. :(
Yes, like an actual good gun.
Or, technically, has to be doubled to even scratch the bottom of it’s real-life estimated values…
Yes we are, but there are enough sources to do it.
Yes, but at 10.7-11.0 it would be a menace with full armor like real life and also full real capabilities - the armor is not the only thing missing on it.
Technically, the Mk.3C has to be able to use M338, but I’d rather have this 1991 tank not playing against 2A7s, thank you very much.
Me too, but ONLY if the armor is to be raised to at least 3BM42 resistancy.
We are! :D
Gaijin changed design of Mk3D. It had those steel balls hanging from the back of the turret, now it’s gone, unfortunately
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You are completely 100% right, the merkava mk3 Must be buffed to 10.3 or 10.7, it is insane that it is at the same BR as the T72B3. The T72B3 has far more better armour and mobility and optics, and the Abrams also at the same br with far better protection and speed. The same can also be said for all 11.3 mbts in game. Since this is a old post gaijin Will most likely not see it. This post needs to be reposted. It’s been a year and gaijin still haven’t made any changes to the merkava mk3. Oh! And in the next major update they are also adding a turret basket to it which makes it even more worse. Thanks.
Always funny to read something like this.
I don’t understand, what’s wrong?