British Weapon Systems - Technical data and discussion

should be fixed now (or very soon atleast as of 2.47.0.43 it isn’t fixed but it might be in an imminent patch, like .44 or something)

should now fire over the front normally

Rapier should be able to guide over the front now.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/d00woCG6Uc6G

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Would anyone happen to know how they calculate HESH penetration?

because it seems largely up to guess, but somewhat related to HE filler, but largely seems up in the air, which penetration statistic it gets

general rule is
90mm = 102mm (4inch)pen
105mm = 127mm (5 inch) pen
120mm = 152mm (6 inch) pen
165mm = 203mm (8 inch) pen
183mm = 228mm (9 inch) pen

only exceptions are the 106mm (105) M40 which has 152mm pen, and the 100mm on the Lancia 3Ro, which as 75mm pen, though apparently this may not be HESH at all, but just labelled as such

It is odd that the Pen on all HESH rounds (bar Lancia which may not even be HESH, even then it is literally 1.2mm off) matches Exactly Inch Measurements,

that and the two 120mm HESH rounds on the L1A2 and L11/L30 are different with the same pen, same diameter, one had 3.97 KG TNTe, the other 6.53KG TNTe

Docs/Sheets likes being weird in embeds so this is to stop it being funny and embeding and behaving weirdly

HESH Stats - Google Spreadsheets

would anyone with knowledge on how it’s determined be able to clarify how it’s calculated?

also for god’s sake can these 405 errors be sorted out

I’m almost certain gaijin dosen’t calculate HESH “penetration” and its almost entirely based on what they feel is “right”

There is really no consistency between the HESH explosive filler and “pen”

It’s based on an old American trials report iirc, though I can’t find a link to that document. The report list that the limits of Perforation were about 1.3x projectile calibre, so 105mm would perforate ~136mm, Gaijin then takes away about 10mm to give the “penetration” amount (i.e. minimum amount to cause enough internal damage to care about in combat). The exception being low calibre HESH (90mm and below) and 106mm RR hesh, which gaijin takes more liberties with.

Stats for nerds

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*4 inch

That’s just gaijin/10. Did the devs ever comment on it? By the way, the warhead weight of the Stinger and Strela is actually lower — 540g.

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it Travels at (essentially) mach 2 now

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1 More m/s it would be Mach to exactly
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so they haven’t followed the report properly?

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Gotta love gaijin doing the absolute bare minimum once again

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Btw, devil said the inability to shoot forwards was fixed? Did he mean it was going to be fixed in a following patch or that it was because i still cant fire it forwards without guiding it down from above?

Looks like a pretty big patch coming sometime this week so I guess its with that

I haven’t seen any Rapier changes in the most recent datamine, but we may get some changes before the usual “its fixed” tommorow

It will be able to fire much lower, but not but not exactly forward.

not really, still just where the turret is facing. I havent checked the side shooting but ill give it a try, thats my main problem. If a plane come around the front itll take about 5-6 seconds just to turn enough to fire, by which time im dead.

it is not yet live, i think.
This is as low as it will go

@Smugspite

I think I know what is “wrong” with the AJ168s.

I think they’ve been given the sea-skimming code that the other ASMs were given, this means they do wierd things vs ground targets

yeah that is what I assumed

They haven’t. Sea skimming is enabled with the line

“altitudeHoldEnabled”: true

Which you can see isn’t in the Martel file:

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Hmm… never mind then.

Interesting why they sometimes miss easy shots. I assumed it was that as it looks like they go very low against naval targets