Just a reminder that l23 is more or less a fake short rod round, and when challengers entered service l15a5 was the standard issue shell
Just saw it in the other thread, really puts it more to shame they just went with L23, feels slightly idk, lazy to it? No plan to even add the ammo made for iran and the tank.
When theres all these they could use instead. Make its primary a HEAT-FS with L15a5 reserve and PISH (i think thats PISH? Looks it to me)
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The shir 2 datamine is out, seems to be a slightly worse Chally 1 but at 9.7. Honestly, it should be really good at 9.7
It also gets a new APDS, L15A5 instead of L15A3
I dont know if its any different though
Looks good IMO
Only major concern is that it’s 9.7.
With such a weak line-up at that BR. Should either be 9.3 or 10.0 with appropriate tweaks to achieve that BR
I’m really hoping the Chieftain Mk5 and Mk10 receive l15a5 as well. Ideally alongside the Mk3 going down in BR
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That would be nice, however, currently A5 is identical to A3
That might change later though its early days
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the tank already seems to have been gaijined. Why on earth is the applique front plate addon 5mm of structural steel… come on gaijin
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Also the joys of APDS stock grinding is back lol.
I dunno, still think it might have been a more interesting tank without L23 and at a lower BR, or am I just crazy?
Also, how do I load it up ingame? I remember the old way but idk how it is with the new wiki?
Its a bit of a flimsy line-up at 9.7.
Chieftain 10 (9.0)
VFMS (9.3)
Ollifant Mk2 (9.3)
Warrior/fox/scimitar for IFV
SPAA is markman/Falcon/ZA-35
CAS is Wessex, Jaguar Gr1, Buc S2, Harrier Gr3 or Hunter F6
Its a lot of uptiering to make a half-decent line-up and It doesnt look that good (at least to me) to justify all that uptiering.
Dropping it down to 9.3 would mean much the same line-up but now 0.3 BR lower or buffing it up to 10.0 would open up options like the Stormer AD and Desert Warrior. Also if it got L23A1, then it would be far more vialbe as part of a 10.3 line-up with the Challenger Mk2
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True, though my main issue with upping it is simply, we have 2 billion challenger models as it is at the 10.0 plus marker, do we really reeeeally need 1 of the few early level designs to have a round from after its development to make it “just another 1 on the line”?
For me, it would feel way more unique if it was 9.0/3 with the L15 round and “maybe” the HEAT-FS looking round developed for it (along with the PISH round), even if gaijin just give it similar capabilities to other HEAT-FS on the BR range, at least it would be way more unique on the lower end of things. IDK.
Like, really, would people actually put this in their lineup when they have the TT challengers and premium challengers and Warrior and SPAA and light tanks and air support and helis etc on top?
Yeah this is true, would liven the 9.0/9.3 up beautifully, would love to run this at 9.0 alongside the Mk10 or 9.3 alongside the Mk11 (if we ever get it)
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I dont think Wessex or Wasp deserve to be at 9.0 ngl hah. I mean Scout and Alloutte could be moved up to 8.7 and it’d still be weird having Wessex and Wasp at a different BR tbh
Thats my thinking, I was hoping to use it with my chieftains, olifant mk2 and Bucc for ground strike lol.
(also, I am feeling like gaijin are ignoring the G6 bug report about the proxy round not being useful in impact mode given over a month and nothing, esp given it has a video, also just hoping my strikemaster report doesnt just sit in limbo, even if denied an answer is always nicer, i wanna drag strikemaster into 9.3 and brrrt enemy light armour/planes with surprise! I have managed to do it hunting alpha jets bit its tough xD)
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You can take the Rooikat 105 and the Rooikat MTTD which are both very capable for 9.7
Rooikat 105 is Premium, not spending money just to get a second vehicle.
MTTD is 9.3
Personally I have this line up prepared for it (Shir 2 would go into crew slot 2)
Lights:
VFM5, Scimitar, Rooikat 105
MBTs:
Shir 2, Olifant Mk.2, Khalid
CAS:
Harrier GR.3
SPAA:
ZA-35, Chieftain Markman, Falcon.
Might swap out the Rooikat or Scimitar for the ZT3, I do quite like it imo.
the MTTD is functionally identical to the Rooikat 105
MTTD has a giant problem, in that it has the ammunition in weak containers at the HIGHEST point so even when hull down and partially turret down you’re extremely vulnerable. It is almost certain these containers are meant to be blow out panels seperated from the crew but it does not function like that in game sadly. It also has some other generalisations, like basic Gen 1 thermals and an autoloader that just so happens to have the identical reload to bog standard L7s in game, but these are also just random guesses, the thing is from mid 2000s so Gen 2s seems a little more likely, and the reload we have no way of knowing really. Ammunition is another odd one, at this point the SDF had better ammo than DM23. It is somewhat crudely implemented.
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it has dm33 now, thankfully, but most of your points still stands. The one thing i will say is, its still better than anything else we have to offer apart from maybe the 105 but thats a premium. I bring this to top tier and still do just as well as if i had brought out my type 19 instead. I would still highly recommend it in any lineup above 9.3.
Also, my opinion on the shir 2 is that at 9.7 it will do fine. No thermals is a massive non issue as i hardly use them on the mk 2 anyway due to them being gen 1 (should be 2, and would make mosing them a bigger issue). Also, not having the weakspot caused by that is also a massive plus, and l23 despite being entirely made up still works just fine at 10.7 let alone 9.7. So it baffels me when people ask for this to be at 9.3? even with apds i would say 9.7 would be perfectly fine if not a little annoying.
Im happy as long as it stays at 10.0 and bellow as i need a tank to go with my desert warrior and stormer.